29 Sep 2016 08:39:35
Bit of a sly dig from Henry about ticket prices, when in reality it has nothing to do with that.


1.) 29 Sep 2016
29 Sep 2016 09:45:43
He may have a point tho, it does have to be financially viable, no point building it if people refuse to pay ticket prices.


2.) 29 Sep 2016
29 Sep 2016 09:50:48
Well having read the statements of both Ayre and Henry I do get his point. The expansion will obviously cost a few quid as has the main stand already. The fans want the extra seats, want to be able to buy new players every transfer window and want the team to be successful. The ticket prices are a rip off all over English football. Liverpool owners have put up the money for the existing expansion either themselves or through loans and hoping it pays for itself quickly through sales, sponsorship etc without impacting on squad development or success on the pitch.
Arsenal as an example when they moved had many lean years transfer wise and very expensive tickets to pay for the build. Fsg are trying a different route but I personally feel that because ticket prices are already sky high that as soon as an increase is mentioned it's taboo. I think if the team's successful it won't be as much of an issue because there would be extra revenue from champions league, sponsorship, tv etc, but if not and the money is needed to be raised by other means are the fans willing to pitch in too. I think that's the way it looks to them, because honestly that's the way it looks to me.

{Ed025's Note - on the face of it that sounds quite fair simon, but when the stand is paid for will the tickets then be reduced?..its the same as the mersey tunnel mate and thats pure greed, there is enough money in the game without fleecing the life blood of the game..ie the supporters imo..


3.) 29 Sep 2016
29 Sep 2016 10:15:13
It's the easy way out for them to blame the fans . The money in football these days is a joke and this was the best they could come on with.


4.) 29 Sep 2016
29 Sep 2016 10:13:11
Ed I think the rest of English football has to fall in line tbh. I think like you that there's too much money about too, but I know from experience I can't buy my car on finance or get a loan or pay my mortgage without extortionate interest payments either. It is what it is unfortunately. I think there should be a cap on prices but until then I certainly wouldn't mind pitching in to upgrade ANFIELD further. If they can get a design that fits in it will be worth it in the long run.

{Ed025's Note - i just dont like being ripped off simon, the supporters pay enough already imo and with the likes of refreshments being extortionate to be asked for more is just taking the piss mate..


5.) 29 Sep 2016
29 Sep 2016 10:44:30
lets be honest, it's a dig and an excuse.


6.) 29 Sep 2016
29 Sep 2016 10:45:14
Clubs fail to take into account a lot of us pay for travel when we go to games too! In Germany its quite common for transportation to be provided with the ticket or discounted.


7.) 29 Sep 2016
29 Sep 2016 11:25:06
Yet again corporate greed raises it's ugly head! Why do people in football think they can make controversial comments when they're out of the country? I can guarantee he'd never have made that statement to the echo or whoever in this country, not so astute as some make out on here is he.

Move on if the ticket pricing isn't to your liking, you WILL NOT BE MISSED!


8.) 29 Sep 2016
29 Sep 2016 12:12:26
new stand build at a cost in the region of £114m. they said they will make about an extra £25m a year it all paid off in less than 5 years then its just all profit. and i know it was intrest free loan from fsg but it is only increasing the value of there club the loan is to themselves. just come out with stuff like that to make theselves look better.


9.) 29 Sep 2016
29 Sep 2016 12:17:23
I think Henry is full of **** in this case. German football proves that the extortionate prices English fans pay are unnecessary. The PL is the most lucrative in the world yet the fans are also paying the highest prices - it is greed plain and simple and for Henry to make those comments is very unsavory in my opinion - its a dig at the fans and a veiled threat, I think a lot of fans will be unhappy with his comments.

{Ed025's Note - when you look at the bundesliga it just shows how ripped off we really are seano, what is it..14 euro to go to a game and that includes your travel!, a family of 4 going to anfield can cost around £200 with travel and refreshments and thats putting people off, its not just liverpool though all the clubs are at it and in these days of austerity and zero hours contracts it rules out the average working guy attending on a regular basis..and thats just not fair mate...i will get off my soap box now..


10.) 29 Sep 2016
29 Sep 2016 12:33:30
The Eds right fans don't have to be ripped off. The preseason game at Wembley, I took my wife and 2 boys and it cost me 16 pounds to buy 4 cokes at half time. There was 89000 + in that stadium imagine the money they took on refreshments alone.

{Ed025's Note - yeah Mr NG they treat us like mugs and we just put up with it, they take advantage mate and its just not right..


11.) 29 Sep 2016
29 Sep 2016 14:05:11
Hey Ed025 my arl fella would have been giving you the thumbs up re Mersey tunnels, when was alive he always recalls them saying once it was paid for it would be free! As you say will FSG reduce prices once paid for? no way.

{Ed025's Note - i remember that too 18and5 but as with all good intentions it was welched on, it would be a great gesture if FSG, and all owners for that matter if they gave the supporters something back, maybe reducing prices or offering the odd cup game for free, i know its not likely mate but we cant help wishing..


12.) 29 Sep 2016
29 Sep 2016 16:34:24
Seems every English fan is being 'ripped off ' for ticket prices. Yet
the expectation is to pay top wages and buy the most expensive players. Up until the recent tv deals how many team are 'raking it in? ' They spend what they have just to be in the mix for the most part. Even man utd having spent close to half a billion in 3 years are hard placed justifying it. Pricing comes down to demand and demand is very high. I used to pay 8 quid just to see my local team Barnet play 25 years ago. Reality is economics . Everyone wants their house price to rise but not the one they want to buy, they want their wages to rise but not their shopping, their clubs investment to rise but not what they're paying. now l live abroad I'd give anything to see Liverpool when I go back to England, anything below 100 quid is a win, Count your blessings the manager is good, squad is good and your'e not paying 150 quid to see the lame London teams play! I didn't realise Liverpool were running debt free but it seems Many of you think so. As waro said you won't be missed!


13.) 29 Sep 2016
29 Sep 2016 16:54:38
Waro, the owners have a point here. The fans are constantly flaming them, demanding that we spend huge amounts in the transfer windows when we are already losing money to begin with. Then we upgrade the stadium and they want to complain about ticket prices. I agree, ticket prices are too high, but you can't ask for one without the other, especially in today's market. Someone has to pay for the new stadium. Unfortunately, unless you're a select few teams, that has to be the supporters.


14.) 29 Sep 2016
29 Sep 2016 17:00:28
There’s a few factors that make raising prices to “fund” the expansion ridiculous. Firstly, as mentioned above, the increased capacity at current ticket prices will increase profits, both from a per seat perspective and from ancillary spending within the stadium (i. e. concessions, club shop, etc. ) Secondly, capital improvements such as this are capitalized and depreciated, thus lower the taxable revenue for the useful life of improvement. So there’s more revenue collected, but less taxes paid out. Finally, the capital improvement increases the overall value of club. So that increased value will be realized by FSG once the club is eventually sold.

{Ed002's Note - It will take many years to pay off the cost of improvements via additional ticket sales - many, many years.}


15.) 29 Sep 2016
29 Sep 2016 17:23:33
How much money does the club get from the TV deal?
More than it will get from ticket sales IMO.
It's simple, if owners CEO's etc pay extortionate transfer fees, agent fees and wages then ticket prices will continue to go up.
One day the whole house of cards will come tumbling down.

{Ed002's Note - From media, far more.}


16.) 29 Sep 2016
29 Sep 2016 17:35:40
It's not just England, in Ireland in the Avia, I went to and Ireland game and it was 10euro for a cold burger and even colder chips.


17.) 29 Sep 2016
29 Sep 2016 19:13:11
LOL 4 Pounds I would much rather pay than the $8.50 Canadian each you pay for Cokes at MLB baseball game in Toronto. $17 for 2 and $34 for 4 is a little crazy.

{Ed025's Note - yeah but you canadians are on $2,500 a week maple.. :)


18.) 29 Sep 2016
29 Sep 2016 20:59:06
Is football a working man's game anymore. From ridiculous ticket prices to even the price of a Jersey. I have bought my kids every kit the reds have released since they were born, home and away. It has cost a absolute fortune but we pay it because it's our teams colours, but the cost is stupid . ( the kids are 24,27 and 33 think there a bit old now hahaha)

{Ed025's Note - bloody hell ted you had better tell them the truth about father christmas mate.. :)


19.) 29 Sep 2016
29 Sep 2016 21:41:09
"It will take many years to pay off the cost of improvements via additional ticket sales - many, many years"

Ed002, so what you are saying is that if the stadium does not get filled then it is unlikely to hurt the pocket off the club? That is what I am reading.

{Ed002's Note - No, what I am saying is that the additional income from the additional 8k seats (perhaps £10M) a year will take years to pay off the building and interest costs for the work on the stadium.}


20.) 29 Sep 2016
29 Sep 2016 22:11:38
I agree, which makes it pointless to further expand Anfield in that case? Which also seems to lead to a situation that if the extra 8K seats in the new main stand do not get filled then it is not going to hurt the club financially as the new main stand was not a short term investment.

Adding another 5k seat in this case is just not viable considering the debt LFC will be taking on to add another 5k seats on top of the 8k that have just been added and the resistance to paying the ticket price to go watch a match. No win situation for the club.


21.) 30 Sep 2016
30 Sep 2016 02:47:41
Be careful what you with for waro fsg aren't that bad, won't be missed? It could be a lot worse.


22.) 30 Sep 2016
30 Sep 2016 09:53:50
Agreed Liverpoolfc16, look at Vincent Tan and Cardiff for example.

{Ed001's Note - Vincent Tan isn't that bad, he had a dispute over the shirt colour with the fans, but, other than that he has done a lot of good things for a club that was in serious trouble when he took over thanks to the bell Sam Hamman. For instance, he has converted all the loans he gave the club into equity in it, to remove the club's debts.}