26 Jul 2016 11:17:07
Hello EDs

What's your opinion on the flanno loan move. Good for his development? A way to get him out?

Cheers.

{Ed001's Note - just a chance for him to get some regular football. Not a good idea in my opinion. He should have been given that with us.}

1.) 26 Jul 2016
26 Jul 2016 12:30:05
Edd001 there was nothing stopping flannaghan from being our first choice right back. He needed a few league games under his belt but we accommodated players who were terrible last season such as moreno can't even defend . I'm angry at this decision to be honest.

2.) 26 Jul 2016
26 Jul 2016 12:20:02
Over who though Clyne or moreno?

3.) 26 Jul 2016
26 Jul 2016 13:02:17
Either. None of them two know how to defend properly. Both rash and give silly fouls away! But preferably flanno on the right for me although he's done a good job on the left when played there. A full backs first job is to defend and sadly our two first choice can't do it.

4.) 26 Jul 2016
26 Jul 2016 13:12:37
I don't really understand why Clyne gets such a hard time.

5.) 26 Jul 2016
26 Jul 2016 13:19:43
Think it's a good move myself. If he proves his fitness and form then he will come back and take the right back slot, he's not going to do that with clyne still here though who is currently seen as the safe bet and more reliable currently, despite being ineffective.

6.) 26 Jul 2016
26 Jul 2016 13:21:00
love flanno. no he not a favourite of liverpool fans but reminds me of gary neville who was a top class right back defended first. as for are to they are not that good going forward to crossing very poor.

7.) 26 Jul 2016
26 Jul 2016 13:34:39
Flan no is a huge favourite among Liverpool fans mate. His name is constantly being touted as an in house replacement for Moreno and often in his preferred position ahead of Clyne. I've even seen him mentioned by some posters as a candidate for a DM position. We love Flanno on this site.
Personally, I'd like to see him prove his fitness and if it needs to be elsewhere just now, then so be it. Moreno is our weakest link and Clyne, in my opinion, has not proven to be an upgrade on Glen Johnson! But the top of the premier league could prove to be a tough proving ground after such a long lay off. Hopefully he'll come back git and firing at right back.

8.) 26 Jul 2016
26 Jul 2016 13:37:22
I'm very surprised we are allowing Flanno to go out on loan. In my opinion he's a much better player than Clyne (who I quite like also) . Flanno can play anywhere across the back, albeit he is best and most comfortable at RB.

Furthermore, I'm very surprised Brenda hasn't came in for him if it was clear he was available. Celtics defence is shocking and Flanno is likely to get Champions League football up there.

Also, although Rogers gets a lot of stick on here (the vast majority of it deserved), Flanno was one of the players who came on a lot under him and seemed to enjoy his style of football. If anything he has regressed under Klopp.

9.) 26 Jul 2016
26 Jul 2016 13:38:29
I may not agree with the move but I understand it. Flanno needs to get back to full fitness and can only do that by playing every week. Is he better than Clyne when both are in form? Absolutely. See his 13/ 14 season when he was injury free so no arguments there. We have to give him every chance of getting back to that level hence, the move is good for him. As for Clyne getting a hard time Farno, it`s simple. He`s not good enough and even Klopp knows that which is why we are scouting RB`s at the moment.

10.) 26 Jul 2016
26 Jul 2016 14:08:54
This move makes sense. Flanno has missed the best part of two years due to his terrible injury, basically had his knee re-built, all through a key stage in his professional development (given his young age) . Klopp clearly considers regular game time at a club where the training intensity won't be as agreesive as his for the squad this season as more important for the future of Flanno. Not having a game here or there with us this year. He will be back for next season fighting for the RB position no doubt!

11.) 26 Jul 2016
26 Jul 2016 14:09:42
Black Raven how can you say he has regressed under Klopp? the lads been injured for a couple of seasons now and weren't upto the pace of the premier league when cleared for duty, so Klopp didn't risk him. I would love to know your reasons behind the regressed under Klopp comment.

12.) 26 Jul 2016
26 Jul 2016 14:10:26
How has he regressed under Klopp? He's not been fully fit!

13.) 26 Jul 2016
26 Jul 2016 14:20:51
Yes gents, you're right. He has been out with injury for a long time, but he's been injury free for 6 months or more. How long before he is fully fit? 2 years?

He a was shocking in a few games last season, especially Southampton when he had the armband!

Does anyone disagree that he improved a lot under Rogers? All i'm saying is it wouldn't hurt us or him to work with Rogers for another year to get fit and get his confidence back. If he goes to Burnley it'll be back to the wall defending for a full year and that's not what he needs. He needs to be playing football and come back next year to be our 1st choice RB.

14.) 26 Jul 2016
26 Jul 2016 14:20:58
I love Flanno but I think Klopp wants a modern full back who can defend as well as attack. Flanno is a very good defender but he lacks the ability to attack at pace and take on a man. Maybe this is something that will come with further fitness and the opportunity to play regularly. Whereas Moreno is the opposite, poor defender but at times demonstrated he can attack. Clearly Klopp is looking for a quick defender with good positional sense who can attack/ defend.

15.) 26 Jul 2016
26 Jul 2016 14:44:22
Massive fan of Flanno. He is very solid defensively, and very good on the ball.

But I don't think an argument for him playing can be founded on Moreno and Clyne giving away too many fouls. Flanagan is equally as guilty for conceding free kicks. The difference is his are cynical because he isn't quick enough. Clyne and Moreno are cynical because their positioning is awful.

My main argument for Flanno playing is that he is much better at sticking to his man when the ball comes into our third of the pitch, and that he is also much better than them on the ball. His passing, control and composure is light years ahead of Clyne's and Moreno's.

Flanno can actually cross it better as well, however his complete lack of pace prevents him from regularly getting into crossing positions. On the contrary, Clyne and Moreno have the pace to get into good positions but couldn't cross a letter 'T', let alone a football.

It is a massive shame Flanagan is so slow and massively lacks the athleticism to turn quickly. It is the main thing holding him back. If he can get a season under his belt, hopefully he can reclaim some of the agility he has lost through injuries. Whilst he was never quick, he was never this diabolically slow before!

I know football should not be based on physical attributes, but the modern English game is so quick that you need to have it to some degree. The only position I could see him getting away with it to some extent is holding midfield. He is definitely good enough on the ball to play there, and his lack of pace would be less exposed in a position where he is not the last line of defence and doesn't have to stand up to flying wingers for 90 minutes.

Sadly, we do not play with a dedicated holding midfielder, and I don't think Flanno has the mobility to play in a two man midfield.

I fear his career lies elsewhere.

16.) 26 Jul 2016
26 Jul 2016 15:55:28
Shame we can't mush Flanno and Moreno together. While his final ball isn't always the best, Moreno does get forward and create. Past centre Flanno looks a bit lost for ideas.

{Ed001's Note - he seemed to know what to do when he got forward against Spurs did Flanno. I have no idea which two players you have been watching as Moreno offers nothing in terms of creativity or movement.}

17.) 26 Jul 2016
26 Jul 2016 16:11:59
i did mean gary neville was not a fans fav not flanno.

18.) 26 Jul 2016
26 Jul 2016 16:23:38
Completely agree with Moreno's movement, Ed, and I think I was referring more to his ability to get forward, get the ball and make attempts. His hit ratio is low, but the sheer number of attempts brought on by his attacking desire (and lack of defensive ability, I'll grant) has at least given some potential. It's as my brother-in-law says, "Even a blind squirrel finds a nut. " I feel there's something there going forward that can be refined, but I don't disagree with you or any of those who cringes when he gets the ball.

Ultimately, there's probably not enough brains in the lad to really succeed here. Shame, because the desire is there.

As for Flanno, it's much the same. Defensively very strong, and while he absolutely has had a few cracking games going forward, I personally find him far too inconsistent at this stage. However he's still young, and if Klopp feels regular play for another side will help home his abilities - particularly moving forward, I'm happy to see a loan move to accomplish that task.

Possible he's going out to get the spotlight off him briefly so he can progress without the glaring eyes of the media and day-to-day 'Pool fans? Might be something in that.

19.) 26 Jul 2016
26 Jul 2016 16:25:38
If this move happens I'll be even more confused than I already am. We need two players for RB next season, a first choice and a back up, whichever one it is Flanno should be one of them. If he does go who will be our second? Randall? Gomez? I don't think either are better options. Again Klopp appears to have a masterplan I can't quite follow.

20.) 26 Jul 2016
26 Jul 2016 16:27:26
I for one was hoping flanno would of been pushing Clyne all the way this season for the rb spot. But if jurgen klopp thinks it's best for him to have a season loan to get fully fit there has to be assurances he gets game time and comes back next season raring to go. Still dissapointed though. GOOD LUCK FLANNO.

21.) 26 Jul 2016
26 Jul 2016 16:30:03
The injuries that flanno has had Black Raven are not easy to get over believe me, nor the ones suffered by Ings and gomes, I suffered an acl injury 2 years ago and still recovering fully after surgery. Now yes it's different these lads have the top end physios and medics around at their place of work every day but these injuries affect you for life not just the recovery stage. So to say that he has regressed under Klopp because he had a bad few games in the only 6 months that he has been fit in three years is absurd. He may continue to pick up niggles next season too because he will always be recovering from those injuries.

22.) 26 Jul 2016
26 Jul 2016 16:39:52
If flanno has his back to the wall, non stop defending while at burnley he will at least be tested while on loan.
Really hope he returns the player he was before his injury.

23.) 26 Jul 2016
26 Jul 2016 18:06:14
Only thing I'd want to give Flanno from Moreno is his pace.

24.) 26 Jul 2016
26 Jul 2016 18:32:26
Flanno looked a shadow of his pre injury self.

He needs regular football to get back to his best, or at least have a chance of doing so.

Fingers crossed for you Flanno and hopefully we'll have you back at your best for us at Anfield soon.

25.) 26 Jul 2016
26 Jul 2016 19:34:45
I think it is a good move for Flanagan to prove his fitness, and to get regular football in the PL. If he is good enough (and almost everyone here thinks he is), he will become their starting RB, adapt to their manager's style and come back to us next summer when we can assess him alongside Clyne and Randall. Burnley will be hoping to stay in the PL and they could use the style of play Flanagan brings. And I would never want to see Flanagan playing central midfield against the likes of Hazard, Silva, Mkhitaryan etc and again some of these comments are way over the top IMO.

I am not a big fan of Clyne, and I agree he can't pass a ball to save his life, but he is at the moment a lot better and more suited to Klopp's style than Flanagan. Liverpool are not scouting any RBs and random made up nonsense along those lines does not strengthen ones argument.

As for Randall, who at times play as a defensive midfielder during his youth days, he was not one who stood out but he does have a chance to cement his place in the squad as a solid back up.

26.) 26 Jul 2016
26 Jul 2016 19:49:53
I'd have Flanno over Clyne in a heartbeat - Flanno might not get forward with the same vigour as Clyne but, when he does, he is far more effective and can actually find a man (unlike Clyne) . He also has a much better sense of his defensive responsibilities and in particular his positioning - something Clyne is not great at. I find loaning him out a bizarre and unnecessary move and one which makes little sense - he has the right mentality though and if anybody can make the best of it, and improve themselves, it is Flanno. Good luck to the lad - I hope he returns in a season and make the RB spot his own.

27.) 26 Jul 2016
26 Jul 2016 20:28:59
Flanno is a million times better than Moreno!

Glad he will get play time but agree with Ed01 that he should have been getting that with us. How Moreno played over him ill never know. Flanno on left is still far better than Moreno.

{Ed041's Note - I cant see why you have let him go out on loan, he looked the business before his injury

28.) 26 Jul 2016
26 Jul 2016 20:51:00
I'm also puzzled as to where people get the idea that Clyne can't defend from. He is probably one of the best right backs in the premier league. And as an outsider he should have kept his position as 1st choice for England ahead of the brainless walker. Not saying he's the best ever but there are hardly a lot of high quality defenders around. He is steady and can get forward well at times too.

{Ed041's Note - Clyne can get pulled around to easy, better attacker than Glenn Johnson but equally bad defender imo.

29.) 27 Jul 2016
27 Jul 2016 06:55:09
@ Kopdogs - have you watched Clyne at all? He is woeful when he gets forward. He finds good positions and space but what does he usually do in such positions? Headless chicken cross, misplaced pass or failed attempt to take on his man. He is awful going forward in fact I would even argue that Moreno (as bad as he is) is better going forward! And as for defence? He gets skinned too easily, doesn't have a good physical presence or bite in the tackle. As our team currently stands if I was an opposition manager my only instructions would be 'play it out wide - pressurize the fullbacks' because you know that, if you do that, you will have success against our team. Both our fullbacks are miles away from being good enough - which makes loaning out Flanno all the stranger as he is better than anything we have at the club. If it is a fitness/ long-term injury concern then that is a different story but if Klopp believes Clyne and Moreno better than he see's something I (and many fans) do not.

30.) 27 Jul 2016
27 Jul 2016 13:06:02
Better attacker than Glen Johnson?! Clyne is a fluttering mess when inside the opponent's third of the field. He looks uneasy on the ball, can't thread a pass and can't cross. Johnson had much more guile and composure on the ball. I think back to when Johnson scored that late winner at the Bridge, and I can't imagine Clyne being able to do the same thing he did.