13 Jul 2016 08:14:42
So with Ibe, are we saying goodbye to another Pacheco, Pongolle, Suso etc or have we really lost a future worldy?

Looks like the perfect move for him as long as Howe is there and their style of football stays.

I think he will push on as he comes across as having a great attitude and natural ability. One I will bother to keep an eye on and hope he does well.

1.) 13 Jul 2016
13 Jul 2016 08:47:42
Well said Max best of luck to the lad.

2.) 13 Jul 2016
13 Jul 2016 08:55:23
Disappointed to see him go tbh, smacks of klopp not being patient or spending enough time with the lad to iron out his kinks. He will be a success and he will rub lfc noses in it i reckon. Good luck to the little fella and i wish him every success.

3.) 13 Jul 2016
13 Jul 2016 09:09:47
Can't understand why it's Klopps fault John, he gave him opportunities and he didn't perform.
Klopp might think that with a proven Premier league player in Mane and the rise of Ojo and Kent that Ibes time would be best served elsewhere.
£15 million with a buy back clause is great business.

{Ed001's Note - Kent? When has he risen?}

4.) 13 Jul 2016
13 Jul 2016 09:11:11
Best move for everyone. Perfect place for him to develop whilst playing every week under a good young manager. £15 mil is a good fee for us and we have mane and ojo who play a similar role so Ibe's chances and therefore development would not have been optimal had he of stayed. Good luck Jordan. YNWA.

5.) 13 Jul 2016
13 Jul 2016 09:13:29
I don't think impatience with youngsters is an accusation that can be levelled at Klopp, personally.

I think it's more likely a simple case of Klopp rating other young players higher. He very clearly rates Brannagan, Ojo, Chirivella, Stewart, Randall, Smith and Ward. As they've all had new contracts and/ or lots of game time.

Some of those lads will probably go on loan (Smith and Ward), and some will stay to cover the first team in the event of injuries.

Just because we rate Ibe, doesn't mean Klopp has to, and with inadequate inside knowledge regarding the situation, it is grossly unfair to label Klopp impatient based on the sale of one youth player. For all we know, Klopp thinks he is a good young player, but just can't fit him in his plans. So instead of stifling his career, perhaps that is why he is letting him leave.

I think it's a bit early for the sweeping statements to come out.

6.) 13 Jul 2016
13 Jul 2016 09:27:39
Ed001 I'm including Kent as I think he has shown in his time at Coventry and the few appearances for us that he could be a great little player.
Coventry missed him a lot when he re joined us and I think he impressed again against Tranmere, maybe rise was the wrong word, maybe more potential was more suitable.

{Ed001's Note - ok, he was very hit and miss at Coventry though, clearly has ability but he is a long way from being able to use it in the Premier League. He is nothing to do with the decision to allow Ibe to go.}

7.) 13 Jul 2016
13 Jul 2016 09:30:34
Well said MK.

8.) 13 Jul 2016
13 Jul 2016 09:34:54
At least there is a buyback clause should he turn out to be a top player.

9.) 13 Jul 2016
13 Jul 2016 11:22:40
You have an entire academy filled with good touth players all capabale of fulfullings ibes current role. You do have to sell some. academy players to keep the track open for the others.

Thanks to this move now ojo, Kent or woodburn should get more chances.

We don't stiffle ibes career and we get a really good fee and he gets a manager that is all about young English players.

And a place we he might be the record augning so he is going to play.

10.) 13 Jul 2016
13 Jul 2016 12:37:03
The fact there is a buy back clause suggests they think there is some latent talent that could end up florishing in years to come. He has had less than a season and no pre season with the boy to work on his game. So yes there is some impatience with his progress hence why they are willing to sell.

I like klopp to but he is not above criticism.

11.) 13 Jul 2016
13 Jul 2016 13:41:05
John I'm not saying Klopp is above criticism. But if he had impatience with young lads, he wouldn't have signed Grujic (20), Mane (24), Matip (24) and Karius (22).

Nor would he have given new contracts to Ward, Smith and Stewart.

Nor would he have refused to loan out Brannagan (citing that he wants the best young players at the club to stay with the club for as much time as is beneficial) .

I can see why you are saying it strikes you as impatience, but I think that is a fairly blinkered assumption.

Klopps best players at the clubs he's coached have always been younger players he has developed into top players. Subotic, Hummels, Gotze, Sahin, Gundogan, Bender, Lewandowski, Reus etc.

If he was at all impatient, none of them would have succeeded at BVB.

I think we need to just accept that Ibe has not progressed as was anticipated, and that other players are now ahead of him; Ojo and Brannagan being the 2 who Ibe was in direct competition with. In case anyone forgot, Klopp brought Brannagan on as a right winger last season and was so impressed that he specifically singled out Brannagan for praise after the game due to how well he played the role.

Ibe seemed to have it all, and I think the rumoured buy back clause (if it is actually true) is probably a safety net incase he suddenly fulfils his potential. I don't expect it to ever be activated though.

I think everybody was so convinced that Ibe would succeed based on his youth games and on loan at Derby, that they have forgotten he is 21 this year and has yet to even hint at breaking into the first team as a regular. It is admirable that for once people want to give an LFC player a chance to develop, but we don't see them train. If Klopp can see others progressing at a more exponential rate, it is no good for Ibe to keep him as a bench warmer.

12.) 13 Jul 2016
13 Jul 2016 13:45:15
I agree with MK on this one

Simple fact is the academy has lots of talented youngsters and only a certain percentage will make the grade for any number of reasons including stalled learning curves, attitude issues, how hard they're willing to work, how much they want to get paid, confidence, how much quality game time they can get etc. Everyone will have a different opinion on who those individuals should be and frankly a lot of us have been proven wrong as our pet favourites have fallen away (Suso, Illori, Texeira, Sinclair etc. ) so debate can be fierce but frankly more are going to fail than succeed.

What we should therefore really judge Klopp on is how many become genuine first team players over time and if you look back there aren't many of those besides Flanno and Sterling unless I'm missing something. At PL level, it's hard to get a real shot vs. just being superseded by a newly brought in proven talent.

I personally think he's absolutely right to be brutal at focussing down quicker on those he thinks have a genuine chance and then giving them a better development path than we might have previously. Of the ones I think have a real shot, Ojo, Stewart, Brannagan seem to be prioritised and I think that's all we get through the current crop them I'm fine with that. Iif Klopp thinks selling Ibe for 15mln to leave space for Ojo to develop is a good idea, then that's a fair call.

Next up perhaps 2-3 from Chirivella, Ejaria, Kent, Wilson, Woodburn etc. and others can come through but there isn't a credible way to given proper game time to everyone and I'd rather we focussed on getting smaller numbers of the best talent through more often, than having too many that play he odd game then all drift off elsewhere.

13.) 13 Jul 2016
13 Jul 2016 13:27:42
Although I did think he had a poor season I really did have high hopes for Ibe and I'd love to see him do well. I can't ever of seen him make it at Liverpool because we wouldn't of given him time to develop, sterling was different as he broke into a flourishing team high in confidence which helped him a lot. Hopefully Ibe can prove his doubters wrong I know I've been critical of him this last season only because I wanted him to do well but he hasn't publicly cried and and has kept his head down and out of the public eye. So I'd like to wish him the best of luck and hopefully he can become the player we all hoped he would be.

14.) 13 Jul 2016
13 Jul 2016 13:29:29
The buy back is just an option for the club to exercise a power. The player could decide against and Y on earth would Ibe return if he does become a top player.

15.) 13 Jul 2016
13 Jul 2016 14:20:34
Don`t know what all the fuss is about. In the academy, some players make it at the club, others make it when the go elsewhere while others fall off the map. It happens in every league everywhere and we have examples of youth players who were bought back to their clubs of origin after proving their worth elsewhere. Denis Suarez who got brought back to Barcelona this season is the most recent example. So all should just chill out and see what happens with Ibe, who I rate but needs game time to develop which all in all, is what we all want.

16.) 13 Jul 2016
13 Jul 2016 15:23:53
I rated pongolle thought he had something special but that's just my two pence ha.