26 Jan 2015 18:23:14
hey eds what is happening with Yesil i don't see him in any U18, 19 or 21 team is he still injured because whenever he played he looked deadly think he is a Lewandowski type of player. and wasn't he on the brink of going on loan to turkey in the summer ? or am I wrong. cheers

{Ed002's Note - Lost in the fog - too many in front of him.}

1.) 26 Jan 2015
26 Jan 2015 21:07:39
Shame as hopes he would become a first team regular. Wish we would use youth more, just look at Harry Kane for Spurs. If you told me last year he would be Spurs main striker and get 20 goals in a season i'd have told you to get lost!

Even as eds said don't know how good they are till they play and if they don't make it a few appearances means they can be sold on for large sums (imagine Kane could be sold for £15m atm!). Where are set up saw suso and kelly leave for less then Kyle naughton who has been torn apart every time I've seen him play

2.) 26 Jan 2015
26 Jan 2015 21:47:30
Sadl, injuries have probably ruined a potential career with us. 2 ACL injuries is tough to come back from

3.) 27 Jan 2015
The thing is though Rodgers as worked with a lot of youth and younger sides. Surely he knows the young players more than anyone and we should trust his judgement. We really don't know how good they are.

4.) 27 Jan 2015
Mighty, don`t fall for that line of thinking because it is BS and that is what BR wants you to think. BR doesn`t play the youth players because he simply does not believe in them. Why? because he prefers to by youth from other teams who can`t get a game to come play here in their place while either selling, (Suso, Kelly) loaning out (Tex, Ibe, Wisdom) or just not using them at all YET has no prob bringing in Manquillo, Luis Alberto and Marko (good player but did we need him w/ Ibe, Ojo and Suso already here?) while leaving the poor academy boys in limbo. That is just gross incompetence, mismanagement and being disingenuous conduct. The fact that they are not getting chances has nothing to do with them not being ready, IMO. It is that he doesn`t have the cojones to play them. The only time he plays the youth in his time here is when there are no funds for players (like Raheem, Suso, Wisdom when he arrived) or injuries (Flanagan when Enrique got hurt). If not, he would never use them. We have good players in our acadmey BUT ask yourself, how would we know who would make it and who would not if we take the excuses you just gave for BR not playing them and NEVER give them a chance to either convince us they are ready or not? Many of us including ED01 has mentioned this on numerous occassions which is one of the reasons why BR is under review by the owners. We have a striker Sinclair who is getting rave reviews for his goals and many think he has a good future along / many others (Tex, Ibe, Rossiter, Dunn, Ojo and so on) YET they can`t get a game because the manager would rather buy from other teams/academies to take their place and we can`t even knw if they are better because the academy boys NEVER play. I have no confidence in BR on tis topic and the facts I just entioned proves it. If you doubt me, ask ED01 and he will confirm all I just posted because HE gave us the info on the topic

5.) 27 Jan 2015
Coaching and judging potential of youth are not the same, Mighty reds.

6.) 27 Jan 2015
Redohio, i'm very interested in the views of our academy and yours seem pretty strongly in favour of the kids getting a chance, what are those views based on (watching live, watching on tv or based on others views, Ed01 for example who you mention). By the way who has Rodgers bought from other academy's? genuine question as I do not know.

7.) 27 Jan 2015
27 Jan 2015 09:26:59
18and5, You should take with a pinch of salt what redohio says.He is so anti BR that it is now becoming vindictive and boring.I just skip over his rants nowadays because you know exactly what you are going to get.Great questions though about where he gets his information as I expect it is just his own personal prejudice

8.) 27 Jan 2015
Great point RS64, it's the same over exaggerated rant everyday. As for the information, I guess most of it's from the Ed's, which is fair enough, as they do have some knowledge.

I think that there are many on this site who, worryingly IMO, take everything that is said as the gospel truth, and base most of their rants upon this. Even though there are many contradictory sources of information out there.

9.) 27 Jan 2015
RS64 and Walton Red, I wasnt aware of redohio's alleged gripe with BR as I am on here a lot less lately as I hate all this regurgitated spiel from other sources etc etc just to sound knowledgeable (or to snipe at BR) rather than personal views built up over a sustained period via watching the kids first hand or on LFCTV.
I am very interested in our academy kids and if they are good enough to make the step up and obviously hope they are but there is numerous names being mentioned that will be the next big thing but history shows very few if any will make it and not just under BR.

10.) 27 Jan 2015
27 Jan 2015 13:18:12
In fairness I watch nearly every LFC game but make a point to watch all pre-season games, cup games (particularly against lower league sides) and used to watch the reserve/academy games on LFC TV (which i don't think they show any more) to try see some of our young 'future stars'.

But I do read what people who say and take on points/views that seem reasonable and knowledgeable. Not very pro BR atm but nothing vindictive or unreasonable tbf but seems to have the same problems on and off the pitch (for example cringe every time we defend any set piece).

Think we have had a lot of talented youngsters talent that should have been given a better chance (kelly, suso, texiera, wisdom, etc) and other teams youth players given a chance and performing or being sold for decent money. But from what i've seen these players (kane, berahino, stones, shaw, wilson, anichebe, zaha) didn't look levels above our academy players that haven't made it.

It looks like financially we can't compete with top sides above us (chelsea, united,arsenal, & city) so will have to bridge to gap somehow. Can do what we have tried for the past 3 seasons and buy a lot of players for less money to find 'hidden gems', but would prefer it if we bought a few players in positions we need and try fill the squad with academy players.

Obvs want top 4 and is better financially for the club but think if we got Europa league and trimmed our squad massively (with a couple of good additions) next season could be great for us. Focus on the league entirely, then use fringe players + youth players in all other competitions (until the later stages at least). Can still compete for 4th/title and would be able to see how good are academy actually is! Added to personally don't see how our squad will be able to compete with the european elite because we are miles away (Real tore apart are starting XI 3-0 and don't see how we could get passed these teams over 2 legs).

11.) 27 Jan 2015
You only have to look at the next question posted on the poll to see what direction the Eds push these mindless sheep.

"Was BR right to critise MB in public?"

Basically opens the the page up for another 300 posts of waffle about mismanagement and how bad the manager is.

We seem to have a team of expert analysts on the pages these days. You know, those same expert analysts who ask whether we're signing Messi in the summer. The same expert analysts that failed to highlight all these managerial flaws when we were tearing teams to pieces last season. After all, those flaws must have existed, but hey, I guess they missed them.

Oh, seems Real Madrid are under investigation about the 51 academy players they signed. Good ol' Brendan, must have had a say in there somewhere. Seems like the academies are working a treat all over Europe - we're the only ones with a few problems. Brendans fault of course.

12.) 27 Jan 2015
27 Jan 2015 13:25:04
To be fair to redohio a few months ago he was disagreeing with a couple of anti BR posts I placed. No harm in a constructive shift of view.

13.) 28 Jan 2015
Kpm100, Thank you for your post.
Let me thank, Jimmy Hustle, Red since 64, alton Red and 18and5 for their opinions of my posts. Now allow me to respond.

For those of you who accused me of being a BR hater or anti-BR, you don`t know me at all hence, judging me just because I disagree with you is quite childish and shows you do not have the stomach for healthy debate which unlike you, I do. Like Kpm100 noted, I have defended BR from the very beginning because frankly as a fan, I have to. I have been a fan for over 3 decades and have seen the highs and lows but does that make me a better fan than anyone? NO! I live in America hence do not have the same info as many other fans and the Ed`s so I differ to them for info and opinions about the academy, reserve games and the youth players with promise and draw conclusions based on the overall picture they paint. Many have said there are good players in the academy. They can`t all be wrong esp if the fans who disagree cannot make logical counter-arguments to prove them wrong. No smoke w/o fire. As a fan, I will always support the manager because if he succeeds, my team wins which should be the bottom line. In terms of the academy, I refuse to believe that there is NOT a single soul in that academy good enuff for the first team that BR could give a run out to and buying Manquillo from Athleti reserves or Luis Alberto from Seville reserves or the pro-BR brigades narrative that "BR knows them more than we do" will NEVER covince me of that ESPECIALLY as many fans and the Eds who watch the games regularly say that there are good players and prospects who should be in the first team. All in all, I`ll call BS on that pathetic "pro-BR no matter what" narrative being peddled here. Also, I have sufficient knowledge to know if a coach is doing his best, making mistakes YET learning fast, being a leader and getting the best out the squad HE built or just full of it. As a coach, if you are getting it done, he should be getting the credit as he got last year. And if he is screwing up, not learning from his mistakes, and the lot, he should be rightfully criticized and get the blame like he is rightfully geting, IMO. If he continues, he should get the sack REGARDLESS of whether I like it or not because he is an employee and not a family member I am stuck with for life. BR`s blunders are well-documented and his refusal to change (only just changed the system due to injuries and the threat of the sack which is still imminent) like Rafa and KK b4 him, will be his end. I criticized KK and Rafa for their blunders and due to their refusal to change and learn, got the boot and I was glad to see the back of them because their poor results at the end could no longer overcome their incessant errors and humongous egos. So why should BR be treated differently? He won`t from e because I am not a hypocrite and what`s good for the goose should be good for the gander. BR is on his way to that end, IMO. So To the above posters or members of the "Support BR no matter what" brigade, if you wanna ignore BR`s errors (on the pitch and in the TW) and refusal and inability to learn from them as well as his embarassing conduct in the media (that the owners have told him to stop opening his mouth for no reason) and his other blunders just to show you are more supportive of the coach than the rest of us, then HAVE AT IT. However, I refuse to close my eyes and pretend it is not raining while I am getting drenched in a storm just to prove I am supportive of the manager. It is called being in denial and sorry, I can see clearly, thank you. Now if you cannot prove me wrong or have a decent conversation about the issues, great. But some of you should stop w/ your bloviating and moral lectures about "supporting the manager no matter what" because to old fans like me, we don`t fall for that BS and you clearly lack the talent to pull off moral lectures.

14.) 28 Jan 2015
Redohio, so to confirm, your views of the academy kids are based on other more informed peoples views?