04 Jun 2018 20:41:10
Just read on BBC news that Karius suffered a concussion in the champs league final when he classed with Ramos and that it was likely it effected his performance.

"He (the doctor) said Karius had suffered from "visual spatial dysfunction", a process which hampers a person's ability to process visual information about where objects are in space. ".

1.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 21:01:31
I shouted that at the telly after the first goal, or words to that effect.

{Ed025's Note - love it hugh..

2.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 21:04:08
If Karius felt disoriented or ill, he could've said something after he conceded the first goal.

And if Liverpool are looking for sympathy on Karius' behalf by letting the hospital release private medical records, then this is just embarrassing. They should just have left it at him owning up to his mistakes like he did after the final. We lost, some of us are actually trying to move on here.

{Ed025's Note - sound like a good idea to me VDV..

3.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 21:16:22
Maybe they are releasing it to stop the death threats? Or to help sell him? Who knows.

4.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 21:22:33
VDV, sometimes you just don't know these things when it happens to you. And if it justifies the errors he made then I'm cool with that. To make a statement saying they are seeking sympathy by releasing private medical records is embarrassing for you.
It's football, The details of pretty much every football injury ever is released ;)
Yeah the result was rubbish and the way it happened was worse and the fact that ramos has and will continue to get away with rubbish like tyat is also embarrassing but it's time to move on mate, we had a cracking season. The end.

5.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 21:50:13
The story does help to push his value back up. or am I being too cynical?

6.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 23:00:00
Worse than the David haye big toe excuse this one haha it’s a whopper. Get over it karius move on you had a stinker in the biggest game for over a decade.

7.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 23:00:24
I love the support we show our players. win together, lose together. the biggest disgrace is how long it took for a team mate to go to him ynwa.

8.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 00:22:02
You'll never walk alone is ringing in my ears after a few of them comments.

9.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 01:00:15
He very well could have had concussion, but for me there is nothing to be gained from this being publicly announced. It makes the club look like it’s clawing at excuses and ungracious in defeat. Take the hit move on and use it as a learning curve and experience for the young lads. Was it the result we all wanted no but it wasn’t the first time and unfortunately won’t be the last time we lose. Karius can’t win either way concussion and he should have said something sooner if not he was just rubbish and at fault this statement puts him in the limelight again for the wrong reason. sorry for the long winded response.

10.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 04:34:31
Perfect summarization robbo.

{Ed001's Note - I disagree, I think all this stuff should be more public. What is showing is what a bunch of selfish turds you lot are, in that your only concern is whether it affected the result or if it increases his sale value. We should all be asking how we can ensure another player does not risk his long term health by playing on with this kind of problem. We should be asking why Ramos was able to get away with what was yet another act of violence which could have damaged another player's career. And we should be asking why it was not picked up at the time and Karius either subbed or given more time to recover, whichever was best for the player's long term health. Instead you lot are being utter selfish dicks and not considering anything other than a game. I am disgusted by the pathetic and selfish attitude you all are showing over this. About time some of you went and took the time to learn more about concussion and the damage it can do in the long term.}

11.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 04:43:31
if that really affected him, to act like a professional footballer, he should have asked to have a medical check immediately or ask for a substitution, rather than conceding 2 embarrassing goals.

{Ed001's Note - what kind of professional footballer have you seen do that? You don't get to the Prem by doing things like that, unfortunately. That is why you need the medical staff to protect the players. Humans do not want to give up their chance in the biggest game of their careers. You only have to see how it affected Salah when he was forced to go off.}

12.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 04:53:31
Agreed ed001!
Welll said.

{Ed001's Note - thank you mate.}

13.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 05:38:46
It’s very simple IMO. If he was genuinely concussed (and I think we have to trust the doctors here - why they would be risking their professional careers to lie just to cover a mistake) then it should have been picked up at the time and he shouldn’t have been playing.

Whether that’s Karius erroneously thinking he was OK, or medical staff failure or whatever, it doesn’t really matter but it does raise that improvements need to be made in terms of how collisions are treated.

14.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 05:31:00
Spot on Ed when I just read that news on sky I expected to come on here reading all sorts of sympathy for Karius. I should have remembered though that it’s too much for some people on here. Who cares about the result now? I care more about karius’ health And his mental state. It also explains the performance in the biggest game of his career to date! I was one of the first to say on the morning after his performance was unacceptable and we need to buy a keeper, but after reading to doctors statement I think he should be given another chance. I don’t think it’s “embarrassing” releasing that statement either, it let's people know how his game was effected and I think it will help karius deal with this. YNWA.

{Ed001's Note - there are hundreds of times players have had stinkers because they played through injury, putting up with abuse from fans for having a stinker. About time clubs were honest like they have to be in most US sports. They should have to be open and fair to the players. It is not right that someone should take abuse for not playing well when they are doing well just to make it out on to the pitch.}

15.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 05:58:34
it is what us blokes do you know. We take a knock, but get up, dust ourselves down and carry on. I fell over at work, did not realise that i had knocked myself on the head, felt a bit dizzy but carried on working.10 days later I lost the use of the right side of my body and am still in a wheelchair 7 months later. Top sportsmen take so many knocks, often they pay for it later. Looks like Karius carried on regardless.

{Ed001's Note - exactly mate, we are brought up to minimise problems, which is why male health issues are such a big concern. Men need to stop trying to act tough and actually realise it is ok to admit you need help at times.}

16.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 05:59:24
We should get an MMA guy to be goalkeeper because officials won't take action of violence in the field.

17.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 07:00:23
I think if this is true he should of put the team first before personal glory.
How did the doc miss this?
Also everyone bashing on Ramos but edd2 has said vvd bashed into ramos first which then made Karius get hurt.

{Ed001's Note - I don't care who pushed him, he threw out his elbow needlessly, stop making excuses for a nasty little tit, just so you can do your usual and blame Liverpool. And don't blame Ed002, he just winds up everyone, not his fault some of you are naïve enough to bite.

As for your first line, do you really think that is what he has done? If so you clearly do not understand the thinking of a top level pro. It is about not wanting to let the team down that keeps them on there when they take a knock.}

18.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 06:52:51
That shows How Ramos had affected the game. First Salah then Karius. It will show other teams and refs to be aware of Ramos and also learn from Goalkeepers being harm during challenges and what consequences it may have. Managers also would be encouraged to check with goalkeepers if they r ok.

{Ed025's Note - maybe they should play in a suit of armour kit, after all they could break a nail or something....its nothing short of pathetic, these namby pamby snow flakes are ruining the game for me and we are looking towards it becoming a non contact sport, heading the ball can cause brain trauma so what next? will kicking the ball creating muscle fatigue be the next medical revelation?, bloody amazing but whats more incredible is that a lot of you are falling for all this guff..

19.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 07:09:30
Ed001, IMO, it would be fantastic for the FA/ PL to take the lead and introduce concussion protocols for head clashes, head knocks etc. I don't know if the English Super League has such, but the NRL here in Oz, after a head clash, players are removed from the field and placed in a concussion protocol, replaced by another player and unaffecting the normal substitution rules, where a series of tests are conducted over a 15 minute period, and if any of them are failed, the player cannot be returned to the field. If the player passes he is allowed to return to the field, if he fails, the substitution becomes permanent and counts towards the normal substitution rules.

In the case of Karius in the CL final, we could have replaced him with Mingolet under a concussion protocol, for 15 minutes while a series of tests were conducted, and if he had failed any tests, Mingolet's substation would have become permanent and counted towards one of the three allowed game substitutions, if Karius had passed the tests, he could have returned to the field and Mingolet back to the bench. And it would certainly apply to all players, not just keepers.


I certainly believe something along these lines can easily be introduced to the game without any trouble at all. And should be introduced immediately, especially with what is now known about the seriousness of concussion in sports. It should be a non negotiable now for the game. The game and the clubs have a duty of care to the players who play the game.

{Ed001's Note - this is exactly what we should be discussing, how to deal with these issues. That concussion protocol certainly sounds like a good idea. I am sure it could be gamed to give a player 15 minutes rest, but players cheat all the time and this is too important an issue not to look to resolve.}

20.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 07:12:18
Ed, I avoided posting on this yesterday because this was such an ambiguous situation but your point is interesting.

What I would say is that it's not up to us to figure out, we don't have all the details, we don't know if he really was effected on the day or not, we don't know why he wasn't seen immediately after the match, we don't know what the club have done since.

To me I wish this hadn't been announced as it was bound to cause debate with everyone interpreting the news to forward their own argument. I don't think the news has done anything to improve the situation.

{Ed001's Note - I disagree completely, everything should be out in the open and this should be used as an opportunity to highlight the potential damages. I am disgusted with the BBC, for example, who just used it as a chance to have a dig at Karius by that tool Chris Sutton. They were the ones that did the documentary about head injuries only recently and they should have been highlighting the issues that program revealed, instead they took the cheap childish option, as usual.

The problem of concussion needs to be addressed.}

21.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 07:16:35
That’s what I’m trying to say in a round about way ed. I totally agree with what you’re saying in that regard but people are not going to read the news of him being concussed in that way. Brilliant that it may bring to light the dangers but because of the timing it just looks like we’re looking for excuses. If something had come out straight away I think more people would have seen it for what it is rather than two weeks down the line.

{Ed001's Note - they won't read it that way because of how it is being presented in the media. We have too many imbeciles in the press wanting to take cheap shots at anyone who succeeds to cover their own jealousy because they are petty little men whose sole achievement is that they get to slag more successful people than themselves off in writing. If the media presented it in a more caring way, then it would get the right focus.}

22.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 07:21:58
Now we all know what the ed think about this incident and somehow it also show how the club think?

so how about the club give a statement on the violence behaviour of Ramos? coz this is not the first time from him, guess it would raise some noise to make him behave a bit more professional. If it is not the time of world cup, i think Pique would voice out about that immediately lol.

{Ed025's Note - i think we should have an inquiry every time liverpool get beat to find out the reason why sean, maybe someone pulled someones shirt which led to a throw in which in turn led to a corner where someone scored?...we could ask for the game to be replayed then or the shirt pulling thug could be jailed or publicly stoned outside st georges hall?.....you all need to get a life mate..

23.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 07:26:27
I sort of agree Ed in that concussion should be discussed and the impact on Karius should be open but the release was badly handled.
The release sounds like it's making excuses for Karius by pointing out his performance could have been effected. I think it should have focused on purely the medical condition. I. e. that Karius received a concussion, the treatment he has received and what it means going forward.

{Ed001's Note - the release does no such thing. The only thing that makes it sound like it is making excuses is the way it is reported. Do you expect a doctor to omit details like that purely so trolls on twatter don't use it as an excuse to do more trolling? It is part of the diagnosis to say whether or not the doctor believes it has impacted. It may be an opinion, but they do that a lot as every person is different no diagnosis is 100%. I think this shows a lot of people in a bad light how they are choosing to interpret this report. Far too happy to use this as a stick to beat Karius with you lot are. YNWA my arse.}

24.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 07:31:02
I just want closure 😞.

{Ed025's Note - me too bobby...its very cringeworthy mate..

25.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 07:36:13
The lad needs all the support he can get to recover, if anybody has seen that Will Smith film about how the NFL tried to cover up why professional footballers where taking their own lives because they were in so much pain through impact trauma, I suggest you go give it a watch, it's absolutely heartbreaking. Say what yo u like about the mistakes he made but don't aim any blame at Karius, after all, it's a fact of life, we are not perfect, we do make errors, we get back up, every again, just don't deny him the opportunity to make himself proud again.

26.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 08:07:03
I think most persons are looking at this lightly.
As an example, in the NBA finals, a player (Kevin Love) suffered a concussion and the NBA wasn't going to allow him to play the next 2 games. One was two days after the concussion, the other was 5 days after the concussion.
A concussion isn't just a slight bump. I think medical teams should try to be more aware of these things. Players would always want to continue playing. Blaming Karius isn't the ideal thing.

{Ed001's Note - well said.}

27.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 08:25:38
I'd have to agree with ed1 on this one. I seem to remember denial agger having to play through concussion and missing a few games afterwards because he became very ill.

28.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 08:32:28
The statement was always going to be open to abuse people will read it how they want to perceive it to put forward to back up what ever side of an argument they do or do not agree with. Karius ****ed up we know that he knows that and the whole world knows that. The match needs putting to bed now it’s done. If he was in fact concussed the lad will get the correct treatment. The season has just ended and I for one can’t wait for the new one to begin. The future looks good, we look like we’re no longer shopping in the bargain bin and regardless of if we get a new keeper on not need to get behind Karius that’s what we as the Liverpool family do.

29.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 08:37:51
Wow. This has turned into some thread! Personally, I think injuries should be made public because;

1) we Should be wishing one of our own a speedy recovery

2) we should be looking at what happened, why, and he w we can avoid this happening again. If it can’t be avoided, how best to treat this when it does happen to make sure a player isn’t at risk of permanent damage or worse.

At the end of the day, big game or not, concussions and head trauma can be extremely dangerous and we need an effective way to deal with it and protect the players.

{Ed001's Note - spot on mate.}

30.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 08:51:44
Ed, please don't throw me in with the people using this as a stick to beat Karius with, my whole point is using this information to further any argument is unhelpful as it encourages speculation.

We either need more information; why he was seen a week later in America and not immediately after the game, what his symptoms were, what the prognosis is and what care he'll be receiving; or less so we're not encouraged to fill in the gaps to suit our own agenda.

The reaction on this site alone shows what impact of this release had been, more thought should have been given before it was made public.

{Ed001's Note - have you read the release?}

31.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 08:56:51
Guys its simple, a medical professional would not not dare risk his reputation by giving a clearly incorrect diagnosis of a player just to appease people, increase reputations or price. where on earth is his upside in this? Hence we can take it that what happened is true. Second to that, players rarely have any idea they are concussed, and even if they did they would choose to carry on. That is the hunger of pro sportsmen, it's why you see players trying to continue with a small hamstring injury and harming themselves further, or even continue playing out of fear they will loose their place, is it right, probably not, is it part of the reason why they are where they are. yes. An example: i played pro rugby for 7 seasons, i was fit, i was driven, i was ignorant. I was hit in the head in a game, i continued, i thought i had zero side effects, and the next morning i woke up dizzy, vomiting, and disorientated. I wasn't allowed to play for 4 weeks by medical staff who then actually apologised to me for not insisting i come off. Did it effect my performance? I have no idea, i am sure i made a few mistakes after that, but as i wasn't that good i am sure i would have made a few mistakes anyhow! but. and even after all of this. and i was absolutely chewed out by a member of the coaching staff for "choosing" to take so long out. (He was an idiot, and was very quickly put in his place by the team Dr), i tell you this to point out the complete lack of understanding by the layman but also the small level of acceptance associated with injuries such as this. Its as if they are just made up. Now. is it an excuse for the faults LK made, i have no idea. he probably has no idea if it did, because that is the exact nature of the injury the majority of the time. you actually have no idea yourself. No idea where I'm going with this, but it brought frustrations to the surface. Have some understanding, stop judging on subjects you know nothing about but feel the urge to wade into arguments with your ignorant comments and move on. what happened doesn't change anything of course, but your reaction to it can.

32.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 09:02:43
Concussion is a big concern in all sports at the minute, i think the nfl handle it best, that i have seen so far. If a player is suspected of having a concussion he's not allowed back on the field until he sees the doctor on the sidelines, now in football that would lead to substitution problems, ie could you have a medical temporary sub to allow a player to leave the field which would mean a greater amount of subs, maybe going too far for our sport but worth looking into. Also after the game the player isn't even allowed to train until he passes an independent concussion protocol test. But back to the UCL if Karius had a concussion and it wasnt picked up by our medical team that's a concern that will have to be addressed as with the hype concussion has got over recent years im sure they have all went to seminars etc to learn about early signs.
AND for the fans who say well Karius should have told someone how he was feeling ill say this youve never been a young sportsman where your trying prove yourself and will -play through any barrier to prove you belong.

33.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 09:14:15
if club wouldn't have released this we would have killed karius for the next goal he conceded. Just a club protecting its players and in doing that giving FA and others something to seriously think about. Player safety has to be a must. Just other day Serena withdrew and forfeit her match to Sharapova (lots of bitterness in there) because of an injury in her pec muscles that restricted her to give her best. She withdrew because she had the knowledge about her body and the ailment and she had the knowledge because of the professionals and doctor along with her who can guide her correctly. I don't need to mention the accolades serena has won in her career and how she has defied age. A similar approach would help football a long way, the players need to understand their physical condition and what best to do in any situation. players have to be made aware that playing through injury is never an option, Players need to understand the long term effects of injury and it will only happen when clubs do their best to protect players and the knowledge of common injuries in sport are shared and proper protocol are developed for the well being of the players nursing such an issue. you can do things and prepare for them only if you know about them.

34.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 09:23:25
Bruffio. I think you may have a point with subs. For example in gaa there is a rule called a blood sub where if a player gets an injury to the head a sub can be made without losing one of your subs. I think that player can then come back on if deemed for by the doctors. Mabry something like this should be done to protect players from the repercussions of head injurys.

35.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 09:49:27
Well said Ed1.

I haven't read every single post on this thread but just want to add a few things.

Karius I was backing up since the final and will continue to do so, the amount of abuse he has got since I find utterly disgusting. A Liverpool player, a player part of the team we all love and the way some of you have treated him has shocked me.

So this news came out last night and suddenly the haters are saying it's a lie etc to back their own slamming of Karius up. Take a second to think of the man himself, do you not realise how much this could affect him both mentally and physically?

We've seen some horrible comments about him and I don't agree with it one bit. Mignolet got abuse but I don't think he ever got it this bad.

A poster yesterday,
'Concussion they say trauma they say what about all the fans trauma after watching him gift them 2 goals just F**koff karius ye absolute joke. ' Selfish bugger, thinking about 2 goals before a person? is this what it's come to, really?

I mean come on this is getting out of hand. Thankfully the site is moderated properly but social media is another matter, the amount of HATE on there is just vile. There's a lot of nasty people around and I'm sure the Eds have had to delete many disgusting posts.

If you don't like the player fine but there's no need to get personal, I'm fedup of hearing so much hate towards him. This with the concussion is nothing to be brushed aside but it just goes to show how so many of you lack an education if all you can think about is a game he made a couple of mistakes in. What about his mental/ physical state? do you not care? clearly some of you don't and that's the problem in this world of today there's too many insensitive selfish bastards thinking about themselves before others. Personally? I'm more concerned about the mans well being over the result.

Karius made his mistakes, and? it's a football game for f sake, get over it!

YNWA Karius, I can only hope he has no long term problems. I actually want him to be number 1 come the start of the season because I'm confident he's going to prove so many people wrong. I think he'll pull himself up and want to show what he's capable of because he is capable, he has proved that. Many forget he was part of the team what got us to the final, the lad is more then capable.

36.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 09:51:32
I've found what I believe to be the full thing but the fact that I had to search for it and still haven't seen the official version just highlights another problem, most of us are reading this through the prism of someone's opinion.

PR is important and handled badly it can be hugely damaging. The player has already faced a backlash, deserved or not, the whole issue of concussion in football could be undermined as some will see this as a frivolous excuse and the Liverpool medical team may well come under fire for either not recognising he was hurt or for allowing him to play on when he shouldn't have.

It's a minefield that needed to be navigated better.

{Ed001's Note - both the Liverpool medical team and UEFA should be under fire, as should the coaching staff, for not dealing with this better. You are whining about PR when it is a potentially life-changing injury. Just shows your priorities are all wrong mate sorry.}

37.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 10:03:00
The purpose of a referee and match officials is to protect players as well as administer the rules of the game. The question here is not whether the concussion led to Karius making mistakes it is one about the protection of players throughout the game. One of the most serious injuries to protect players from is a head injury. It requires the immediate stop of play but most referees and other match officials will only take action if there is a blood injury. Hence it is important that the Consultant's diagnosis is made public because not only did Karius fail to take appropriate care (typical of footballers) but so did our staff and the match officials. Just like protocols had to change in boxing it seems that protocols may need some refining in football as well. Head injuries do not require blood to be serious. some of you seem to be in support of rollerball rather than football.

38.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 10:12:39
Karius is a liverpool player, plain and simple, if he's injured then he deserves our support. He had a bad night for whatever reason, he'll learn from this, I rate him as a young goalkeeper and hope that people in the club don't use this for a knee jerk reaction to sell him. He could be an excellent keeper for us, yes sign another but that should always have been the plan to make our squad compete for players. Throwing players under the bus for one bad game after a season of improvement is counterproductive, Karius has a lot of potential. The game is gone, Real won, Ramos showed who he is, get behind our team even if they don't get behind each other.

39.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 10:24:41
Just a quick message to those saying he should of asked to come off. I have been concussed in a game before, I thought I was fine and carried on playing. I was subbed off in the second half for a poor performance and later that day ended up in A&E.

I knew I was having a bad game but not once did I think I had a concussion. From what we know Karius did not know he was concussed either.

Like Ed (and others) have said, an incident like this is bigger than football and im just glad the lad is ok.

40.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 10:33:09
Raynard i think you hit the nail on the head there. People think if there is no blood there's no injury but blood releases pressure. If there is no blood in a head injury it's far 2mor important to assess.

41.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 10:41:55
Well said Carra, in my career I have seen many head injuries, injuries people have had no idea about and could potentially end up to be life threatening, some just have no idea about how serious even a slight knock can be.

A few years ago there was a couple, normal night in, playing the Wii on a dance game. The husband accidentally hit her in the head with the wii remote. They thought nothing of it, she felt a bit dizzy but put it down to the wine they were having. The next morning she was dead.

It frustrates me how people put a performance in a football game before something that could be very serious, we're talking about a mans health now, not a result in a bloody game of football.

42.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 11:02:24
Modern day footballers are a gang of farts. Steve McMahon vinnie Jones Bert troutbeck and his broken back honestly they need to man up.

43.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 11:41:49
Head injuries should always be taken very seriously, I think football has taken strides to address this but can go further and medics should be on site to assess and make recommendations which should be heeded.
As an avid cricket fan it was almost an innocuous incident that led to death of Aussie Phil Hughes a few years ago so head injuries are taken far more seriously since. A ball hurled at 80 mph is going to damage but so is clash of heads or an elbow in football.
We need to ensure the players safety but acting swiftly on injuries and punishment handed out to anyone like Ramos etc who wilfully inflicts head injuries.

44.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 12:25:39
Chris Sutton is about as interesting as Alan chuffing Smith, worse "pundits" on tv.

45.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 12:18:48
Again, your response highlights what's wrong with the handling of this issue. The release said that he will make a full recovery but no one seems to be mentioning that.

We have debates about the integrity of this release, we've reopened the Ramos issue, the player is under attack and, we have people saying maybe he should retire for health reasons, I've now heard people questioning the Liverpool medical team (separate to your response) and I'm argueing with you about PR.

It's a mess, and an easily avoidable one at that.

46.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 13:05:19
I'm so sick of this. It's maybe the 10th time I can remember in the last decade or so where a football game has utterly failed to follow basic common sense, never mind protocol, in dealing with head injuries. I still remember watching the clip of a player in the Czech republic pull an unconscious keepers tongue out of his throat and put him in the recovery position while the medics waited for the refs permission to enter the field, watching Surman stamp on Ibrahimovic and then Ibrahimovic elbow Mings and not a single medic to be seen despite the stops in play for the respective cards anyway. Players are dying early from what's being done to their heads, the needs of the sport are punishing enough without these extra untreated impacts and absolutely nothing is being done about it. Does someone have to die on the field before you take it seriously? Does it only matter to you if the result of the game is the one you want first? Are brain injuries a fitting penance for you?

I couldn't give less of a damn about whether it's why Karius made his mistakes. I will now automatically reject the opinion of everyone who comes back with 'it's just a conspiracy' (world leading neurological hospital risks it's reputation to help LFC why exactly? ) . Those who seem to blame Karius are even worse, and I don't think I'm allow to use the only suitable words for them on this website.

Every single football fan worldwide, no matter their allegiance, views on particular players and respect for medic opinions should be taking the exact same thing from this entire incident. A football player in a game went down after receiving a blow to the head. The ref was made aware of this, and yet no time was given or action taken to assess whether or not he was fit to continue beyond his own verbal consent. And according to the law of the game, the ref did nothing wrong.

Stuff your opinions on Ramos, Karius, PR or the medical team. That is not okay. It has never been okay. And it will never be okay.

47.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 13:32:10
Hi all,
First time poster usually just a lurker but some of the above statements have got my back up a bit. I’ve played the egg chasing game at a decent level since I was 5 years old and let me say this the amount of times I have been knocked out cold and come round a few seconds later and lied to the physio/ drs to stay or get back on the pitch I have lost count. Arm chair players will always put there 2ps worth in but let me tell you this if you are a competitive player you will always fight to stay on whether you are having a shocker through injury or not its in the players bones to right a wrong and try to have an influence in the game whether they actually are capable or not. Get off the fellas back! It was a mistake and he will probably come back stronger with the right support from the fans!

48.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 14:24:06
Ed001 Have I imagined this or is there actually a set amount of concussions that nfl players are allowed to receive in their playing career before they are forced to retire?

{Ed001's Note - they do in the NHL, not sure about NFL though.}

49.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 15:20:57
This is a topic that I am very much interested in. The game has been lost and that is it. I don't care about Ramos, excuses, the result, PR or anything else about the final. However, I wanted to weigh in on Karius' concussion.
Firstly, European and (world) football is lightyears behind North-America when dealing with concussions. There have been too many incidents when players were allowed to continue to play even after they showed clear signs of head trauma (Agger, Willian, Kramer, etc. ) .
Secondly, before you cite the NHL, NFL and NBA as examples you should know that these leagues are NOT interested in real studies concerning concussions. Two of thse have major litigations pending and are working aound the clock to deny any link between the practice of their respective spots and concussions.
Thirdly, the concussion protocols are a joke (except in the NFL) . When the stakes are high, teams will allow players who are concussed to play and they will pretend they were not aware. The NHL play-offs are concluding right now and there are players on the ice who are rumoured to be concussed. Watch the reports come out after the cup has been handed!
Finally, ask yourself why students are still allowed to play hockey, (American) football, rugby and other contact sports while waering school colours? There have never been more concussions among students and we have no idea of the longterm effects of this condition.
P. S. Karius' concussion was probably impossible to detect. He did not show any signs of it. He carried on right after the hit and there were no reasons to suspect anything. I once suffered a concussion, it was my first ever. It took me two days to figure it out and it lasted for about four months (until the last symptoms were gone) . Sometimes there is just no-one to blame. It was bad luck in my opinion.

{Ed001's Note - Lloris is a recent example of someone who carried on playing after a concussion. The NFL use an independent body, I forget which one now, that places spotters in the crowd. If they spot signs of any player that could potentially have a head injury they can have them pulled out of the game on the spot to be checked over. They still don't get them all, but at least some action is being taken.

Football is a joke in this respect. It has no consideration for the players and their health.}

50.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 15:55:27
I don’t want to be cynical, but none of these sports care about the well-being of these athletes. The NFL does not want to recognize its part in former players’ health problems. They have the most to lose in all this. The problem with football is that the clubs’ doctors are under pressure from managers. In the end, the player has to be the one to signal something is wrong when there are no visible signs. Karius stood up after the blow and seemed to carry on just fine. The NHL has spotters as well and their work is being criticized all the time. The real question still remains, why are parents allowing their children to risk their health when we can see what has happened to many of these athletes who suffered multiple concussions? I know a few 16 year-olds who have suffered multiple concussions and are allowed to play on.

{Ed001's Note - I never said any of them care, that is the whole point I was trying to make that we are not doing enough for players' health.}

51.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 15:56:16
On a serious note though, anyone actually know how the lad is doing, i mean this is one big old post and I admit i've scanned over some of them as there too big.

Is an LFC player actually ok that's all that matters really, do we know?

52.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 17:54:43
Bored by all this now. Cantkarius ain't going to help us win the league whether he's concussed or not, let's move on coz we're looking Fabinholous in the transfer market so far!

53.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 18:14:47
Ed1 you are as usual spot on.

{Ed001's Note - thank you rp.}

54.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 18:24:58
Bobby, the doctors said he was fine and will make a full recovery.