30 May 2018 07:46:16
Hi Eds, does anyone know of any changes with regards to Achterberg? Just wondering if there are any plans for an upgrade in that position.

{Ed001's Note - no mate.}

1.) 30 May 2018
30 May 2018 08:02:58
Why are people so adverse to him?
Has there been something said about him, or is it just because we have had poor keepers, who don't seem to improve much?

2.) 30 May 2018
30 May 2018 08:06:42
Keepers join then seem to get worse.

3.) 30 May 2018
30 May 2018 08:13:47
Do they get worse or do you just notice their mistakes more when they are playing for us?

4.) 30 May 2018
30 May 2018 09:18:40
No they do get worse. Perhaps that is in the limelight but they certainly don’t seem to learn from mistakes which I would assume as a coach it would be your primary focus!

It is also relating to how good the previous GK coach was with Reina, seems a step back!

5.) 30 May 2018
30 May 2018 09:24:34
Reina got worse after he joined.

6.) 30 May 2018
30 May 2018 09:43:55
In fairness Migs always had a mistake in him and how many times did people watch Karius before he came here? I would guess not a lot.
The problem seems to me that we bought the wrong keepers. You say they don't seem to learn from their mistakes but that's their fault.

7.) 30 May 2018
30 May 2018 09:44:17
Im sure something was said by one of the eds or someone in the know a few years ago saying that he wasnt a very progressive coach and was using outdated GK training techniques but I maybe wrong.

Also his appointmemt to the first team coincided with Reinas decline in form and probably worst of all he was he played a major role in the targeting of Mignolet as he had been supposedly tracking him for a number of years. However, he is one of the few GK coaches to have attained his UEFA pro licence and was one of the only backroom staff members kept on by Klopp from Rodgers time so he must be doing something right, just not sure what.

Personally after overseeing the decline or stagnation of 3 GKs (4 if you include Ward) I think there should be a change however, as Klopp seems to be a big fan of his that seems unlikely to happe anytime soon.

8.) 30 May 2018
30 May 2018 09:50:51
I think the general perception is that no keeper has improved under his tenure, but maybe also that if a top class keeper was on the cards, is he the right person to be coaching/ mentoring. Personally I would say it's something to be at least looked at, there is no point looking to improve the squad without looking to constantly improve the support network.

9.) 30 May 2018
30 May 2018 10:27:48
It could be entirely coincidence of course, but there can be little doubt that Reina declined quite a bit around the time achterberg took over as coach.
Migs was always inclined to having flaky moments but it was disappointing that his kicking and distribution didn't improve much with achterberg.
Karius is prone to losing focus at key moments, and that may be a mental trait that can't be coached out of him?
It is interesting that the only keeper I can recall staying at his level was Ward, who spent most of the season away from achterberg.
The evidence is starting to accumulate I that the one constant in all the keepers decline is that they worked with achterberg.
Yes they could all be just pretty poor keepers and uncoachable in key areas, but at this point I would be digging deeper into achterberg's methods and performance, and having him evaluated by external experts.

10.) 30 May 2018
30 May 2018 10:27:12
maybe its because we have not had a top class goal keeper for many years and went with cheaper alternates due to budget constraints and need to build the team further in other positions so never spent proper money!

Also, playing in goal for Liverpool comes with a lot of pressure, needs a certain type of mentality to succeed at huge club like Liverpool.

It's possibly not the coach's fault, at the end of the day it's difficult to coach not making mistakes and decision making.

We do need a game changing goalie, one that pulls the unbelievable save that changes a game or gets you them 3 point ala De Gea at Man Utd.

I Also don't believe we should sell Karius, seems a nice kid so we should stand by him, he will learn from the competition and is young enough to do so. Very young for a goalie still remember.

11.) 30 May 2018
30 May 2018 11:12:28
Redwin - I think having a “game changing goalie” has been the problem!

12.) 30 May 2018
30 May 2018 12:24:59
Fast Tino true but in the negative lol.

13.) 30 May 2018
30 May 2018 14:22:42
New coach for me. simple.

14.) 30 May 2018
30 May 2018 18:31:18
Also worth considering that because the defence has been seen as shaky for several years teams have targeted, especially banging in crosses, which means keepers get exposed more as well and then targeted more etc. Bit of a vicious cycle to it really.