1.) 01 Jun 2017
01 Jun 2017 10:36:51
Its a shame Sakho and Klopp won't make up as it wold save us a lot of money and as you said Sakho is better than VVD.

We need to buy a quality LB as that's the main position that needs addressing for me.

2.) 01 Jun 2017
01 Jun 2017 11:05:03
U clearly ain't saw much of keta By that comparison. Gana is a good player. But never a keita.

3.) 01 Jun 2017
01 Jun 2017 11:20:28
So say LFC fully intends buying VVD and Keita at that price. You going to have a problem with that?

The owners worked hard to put in place responsible people. If the club deems those players worthy of those fees, what's the issue?

These'astute' buys folk keep talking about. I assume by their nature they be fairly inexpensive.
Who'd they be? They viable? Are we interested? Just outta curiosity.

Was Mane and Wijnaldum astute buys? Were Firmino and Lallana? Lovren?
How many of these astute buys have we. who've immensely improved our team?

I'll give you Sturridge and Coutihno. Matip and Can promising.
Who else?

Hypothetically, would Begovic at £10m be better and astute than say Oblak at say £50m?
Would Gibson at £33m be better and astute than Laporte at say £55,7m?
Would Luan be more astute at say £35m than Alexis Sanchez at say £70m?

IMO, absolutely no. Whilst more expensive, Sanchez, Laporte and Oblak are genuine high quality who'd completely take the team beyond the EPL and to the next level and keep it there.

Astute and relatively inexpensive buys who turn out succesfully are very few and far between (Coutihno, Sturridge, Kagawa pre-Utd, BVB Lewandoswki, Delle Alli, Vidic) .

There's a time when a team should go for high end, next level quality.
It's one reason why Arsenal remained also-rans and perennial top-fourist.
They never got in the that high calibre players to move them into elite level.

Instead they lost what big players they had. Sanchez and Ozil came in to prop up and already failed team.

Harry Redknapp once said at a time that Spurs now needed that one or 2 players to lift them up the next level. high impact like the early LFC Torres.

Still the case now. They don't get those 2 or 3 top level players. they be the next Arsenal. flattering to deceive.

So instead of complaining, we should be pleased that our club is looking to a higher calibre of a player. a high impact player who'll take this club to the next level and keep it there.

Keita and VVD be expensive no doubt. If Klopp/ klubb believe these guys to that high end quality to enable us to successfully compete in EPL and CL. support them.

This is a good team we have. But make no mistake, it's not equipped to successfully compete and win.
We no better than Arsenal.

Ask yourselves if Robertson, Chamberlain, Tumon are the sort to move us up a level.
If they squad options, why not just give those opportunities to our own young guys?

I've heard even Clichy being linked and some deeming it sensible. Christ.

{Ed025's Note - i agree with a lot of that suku but you also have to be realistic..

4.) 01 Jun 2017
01 Jun 2017 11:54:59
Most definitely ed025.

This is I've been cautious, using 'ifs'/ 'coulds'.
Reality is that no one except those dealing with these matter know the club's plans to the tee and to extent they willing to go to effect them.

My own view is that I don't see Keita (wants to stay/ RBL don't wanna sell), Mendy or VVD coming in. the latter two due to having potentially better options than us.

Honest truth is that very few have even the faintest clue how much LFC be willing to spend on any of their targets.

{Ed025's Note - i expect them to sign one maybe two big players suku but not the five or six some are predicting mate..

5.) 01 Jun 2017
01 Jun 2017 12:06:43
Suku you have just proved my point.

Luan 35 mil or sanchez 70. Sanchez is worth more than so would be a steal.

Gibson 30 mil and laporte 50. Laporte is worth morr than that, so again.
Your getting quality for the rigjt aboht of money. Vvd or laporte?

This time its the other way around.

Tielemans for 22 (never an options but a super player) or keita for 50.

Gibson for 33 or vvd for 50. Again gibson.

Hes the better player.

These are two players who we are potentially completely over paying for.

Mane. Easily 50 mil now. Same for cou, same for firmino. Hendo about 30 mil (injury problems aside, bouncing into any prem midfield)

Im not saying don't spend. Listen i would wet myself if mendy and auba (my love for him has been noted) came in for 120 mil combined and have no complaints. Like at all. Becaude those two would undoubtedly make us a far stronger team.

For 50 mil there can be no question marks over a player. It has to be a dead cert, straight in and improve us.

Pogba 100 mil that has to be the finished article. If we want to take a gamble there's that young lcb for ajax le cigt or something go for him (16/ 22mil)

50 stones and sterling. where they the going rate, are city happy. Or in the process of completly replacing them? Silva in already.

we also haven't got the money to fix any mistakes like that. We can't just replace a 50 mil cb next year with similar money.

That is not the going rate. If it was then how are dortmund, tottenham, athletico, leicster (were premier league winners), monaco, nice, sevilla, ajax, bilbao (they only play loval players) . succesful?


The citys, psgs, munichs, madrids and uniteds are all miles away from us in terms of money. None of them really pay the "going rate".

We can spend but have to be 100% certain. We can't afford mistakes.

Now honestly are you 100% certain thay vvd and keita are worth 50 mil each and will fix our problems.

6.) 01 Jun 2017
01 Jun 2017 12:27:31
Spot on Suku, really well said. People seem to forget the reason why clubs pay the bigger fees in the first place and this is because you are buying proven quality, not potential.

It's the whole points on the board are better than games-in-hand scenario. There's a large chance you may not win those games-in-hand and there's a large chance that the player who we avoided for £50m turns out to be a future star whereas the £20m Markovic for example has lost value. Ultimately in this day and age you have to pay for top quality with astute deals becoming increasingly harder to come by whilst having a much greater risk of failure, it's just a matter of where your budget dictates you draw the line between proven quality and potential.

It's easy to forget that we will presumably be in the CL and can attract the top bracket of player to enable us to compete at the level we've been dreaming of since Suarez left. It's up to the club to decide on the areas in which we need to heavily invest and we as fans need to give our full support to whoever comes in.

7.) 01 Jun 2017
01 Jun 2017 13:17:16
I wouldn't want Gibson or Laporte for precisely the same reasons, one they are overpriced and two they have an aversion to crosses that would make Dracula go red in the face, since they are both poor in the air and given that is one of the primary jobs of a centre half you would at least want them to be competent in that respect.

8.) 01 Jun 2017
01 Jun 2017 13:31:43
But HX. vvd has the samd question marks over him as signing an illori. Just he will be alllloott more expensive.

Arent wr trying to replace a southampton cb at this moment in time who probably shone more brightly wuth them than vvd has.

This isn't not wanting to spend but for 50 mil there can be no more development, time or direction needed for the player. Klopp can teach him gthis and thay well then sign a 10 mil playrr for that. If your getting a 50 million pound player he needs to be ready and developed now.

9.) 01 Jun 2017
01 Jun 2017 13:52:20
Supermane96
HX Red

Good points there.

And just on Tielemans. Very good player there. But you think an English club would have got him for that price? I seriously doubt it.
Perhaps that's another consideration to be factored in.

It seems like English clubs be always charged a "little" more extra.
European clubs know what they can expect and fully exploit it.

The going rate will always vary. depending on who/ what circumstances you dealing with.

E. g. Lyon with their special English levy.
RB Leipzig who simply neither want to sell nor need the money.
A target who's not too fussed about making the move.


More so than reflect the value of the player, my own view's that transfer fees are rather a reflection of the buyer's determination to get his man.
E. g Barca's £30m + Eto for Ibramovic offer.

Mbappe be way, way overpriced when he makes the move to whoever. But that will be a reflection of how much his buyer want than his true, reasonable value.
I mean, he will cost (transfer fee) significantly more than Rinaldo having achieved far less at similar age.

How possible is true market value nowadays?
Really, the fees of Pgba, Sissoko and Bolasie changed the way I look at the
market.
And it's only going to get worse.

{Ed025's Note - troy deeny £34m...enough said..

10.) 01 Jun 2017
01 Jun 2017 15:39:33
Tielemans. Its anderlech. There in no real bargaining position.

Lukaku 17mil, onye (arsenal signing) 7.2mil, tielemans 22 mil, kompany 10 mil.

It would never have been 50 mil. In around 22 to 30. Your talkig about a player who is probably even or bettee than keita for about half the price.

All im saying is there are llayers out there. Vvd is not and never will be a 50mil pound player. We xould pick up the same talent in a player for about 25 mil. that's really whay vvd is worth.

All southampton are doing is sayibg we don't want to lose him but if we do then we will get paid.

Its not 50mil because f the outstanding seasons he has had.

Same as keita. Were loaded don't need the cash so if we lose him its going to be for a huge some.

Point being we end uo with 100 mil tied uo in 2 players who will never deliever that. If we got them for 30 each then there wouldn't be a problem.