10 Sep 2016 15:43:47
Anyone hearing that Lovern is injured and won't play. If so i presume Lucas will slot in there.

1.) 10 Sep 2016
10 Sep 2016 17:17:19
Why? When Klaven is on the bench?

{Ed001's Note - because Lucas is better.}

2.) 10 Sep 2016
10 Sep 2016 17:23:25
Have you seen lovrens eye?


3.) 10 Sep 2016
10 Sep 2016 18:21:13
You sure Lucas is better ed lol.

{Ed001's Note - yes. One mistake doesn't change my opinion. To be fair he shouldn't have had the ball in the first place to make the mistake.}

4.) 10 Sep 2016
10 Sep 2016 19:01:21
Ed's any comments on Wijnaldum's performance, he makes Shelvey look better.

{Ed001's Note - he is still getting used to the way we play. I will judge him after at least 10 games.}

5.) 10 Sep 2016
10 Sep 2016 20:17:20
Looks like goals from midfield may be our saving grace this season, if you count firmino as a midfielder like he was today, all our goals in the league have come from them. Playing the two either side of a sitting midfielder looks good with the fluid front three. Although, that side with coutinho in for wijnaldum looks best for me, with can Karius and lovren coming back in.
Actually think lallana suits that position, he's added a few goals too, so not sure what i'd do with can, still think he's the better option mind. Wijnaldum will Get lots of game time I think, with Stewart covering for hendo and wijnaldum for the other two. Hard to see grujic getting much time mind, which is a shame.

6.) 10 Sep 2016
10 Sep 2016 20:22:05
I fear a bit for Lucas now Ed 1. Klopp has shown he is ruthless. That mistake could've changed everything today. I hope I'm wrong because I think Lucas is a really good player.

7.) 10 Sep 2016
10 Sep 2016 20:28:56
Wijnaldum was. good today. Links play well with little passes that keeps the ball moving. Just needs a goal then we can move on from criticizing him after we moved on from criticizing lallana.

8.) 10 Sep 2016
10 Sep 2016 20:51:57
If Klopp was that ruthless Sunshine, then we'd only have Matip available to play in defence because everyone else has made mistakes.

9.) 10 Sep 2016
10 Sep 2016 21:10:32
I'm one of Wiji's critics but he was much better today. Lucas made the mistake, not Mingo because he was the one who took his eye of the ball and then compounded the error by inadvertently passing to Vardy in panic. That's on him and he knows it. However, Lucas didn't put a foot wrong throughout the game after that and his sense of anticipation, positional awareness and experience allowed him to cut out a few counters and marshalled Vardy very well.

{Ed001's Note - the initial mistake was still Mignolet's in passing the ball to a man who was being chased down with nowhere to go. It was a double mistake.}

10.) 10 Sep 2016
10 Sep 2016 22:07:12
Shame for Lucas as he had a good game apart from that, still he has more assists than Pogba this season.

11.) 11 Sep 2016
11 Sep 2016 00:55:50
Completely agree with Ed. Lucas made a mistake but Mignolet should have calmed down assessed the situation and not passed to him given where the Leicester players were.

That being said his reading of the game; being in the right position for most of the headers and distribution was excellent. Given Lucas and Milner not being defenders between them and Henderson I thought they worked very well together.

Not sure how Lallana got man of the match on Sky; too many tricks in the wrong places and giving the ball away.

Oh my when Frimino took that ball down in their penalty area - he at times (as did the team) looked frightening in attack!

12.) 11 Sep 2016
10 Sep 2016 23:54:20
Klopp said Lucas was brilliant today, and he was. He made a big error, but didn't let it affect him.

Lucas did have somewhere to go though. He took a poor touch and lost control of the ball. Blaming Migs for it is pretty ridiculous. Unreal that the lynch-mob want to blame him for everything. Agree with Hamilton Red 100%. How could I not!

13.) 11 Sep 2016
10 Sep 2016 22:00:35
Well said Ed 001. Poor judgement yet again from Mignolet. On another issue entirely, I'm getting old now so there's probably a really good answer to this, but what's the fascination that GKs have with punching the ball. Simple physics says that when two roundish objects (fist and football)! collide the free one can head off in any direction with at least a high percentage chance it will go to the opposition. Do they not teach GKs to catch s ball these days and then distribute it sensibly (rather than give a team mate the equivalent of a hospital pass!

14.) 11 Sep 2016
10 Sep 2016 22:56:58
You're reaching ed001. That's Lucas's fault hands down. Klopp wants the players to play it from the back. Lucas gifted them the goal. He had plenty of time to make a better decision. He just took a horrible touch and then tried correcting it with an even more horrible one.

{Ed001's Note - I am not reaching, it was a bad error by Migs. Yes Klopp wants his team to play that way if possible, but all the other times he didn't make the pass because of the defenders being closed down. Why do it then? It was his error. You are simply blind if you can't see that was a mistake by Mignolet. Lucas made a mess of it, but he should never have been placed in that position in the first place. And don't talk crap about him having plenty of time, he clearly was not expecting the pass and was preparing to move forward when Migs suddenly takes it quickly at a time when we were dominant and should have been taking our time over everything and keeping it calm. Again a mistake by Migs.}

15.) 11 Sep 2016
11 Sep 2016 04:37:27
He had plenty time to control turn and find a pass u see many of keepers passing that same ball. He took a poor touch his 2nd 1 was a tackle. Hopefully that's karius back in now tho anyways with lovren so it's all good. A very good win.

{Ed001's Note - look again, he wasn't expecting a pass, he was about to start jogging forwards, which is why the touch was so bad as it was an adjustment while trying to look round and see someone to pass to. As for plenty of time, if he had so much time, why was his second touch a tackle? Ridiculous to suggest he had plenty of time, he was being closed down before the ball was passed to him.

It was a bad touch, he made a mess of it, but he did not have plenty of time or he would have had time to recover. I don't even see how anyone who watched it could suggest that he had plenty of time. Mind anyone who thinks a guy on the edge of his penalty box should turn with the ball is obviously not thinking straight. He was looking forward when the ball was passed, so where do you want him to turn to? What a ridiculous thing to say. It was quite clear there was no one to pick out as everyone was setting for a longer pass due to Leicester's closing down.}

16.) 11 Sep 2016
11 Sep 2016 06:41:50
This is not the first time Mignolet has put his defenders in a difficult situation with foolish passes. In fact, he tends to do it several times a game.

Yes - it may be part of team tactics. But the players on the field must have game intelligence. Otherwise tactics are useless. Mignolet lacks that.

17.) 11 Sep 2016
11 Sep 2016 07:15:16
Fact is the goal was against the rules and shouldn't have stood, so it's only the officials fault.

{Ed001's Note - no, you still have to look at what went wrong and look to fix it from your part, so that you do not have to rely on officials. Shanks made a big thing of that, after the officials cheated us versus Inter Milan. He wanted the players to do it all themselves, so that the officials would not be able to cheat us ever again.}

18.) 11 Sep 2016
11 Sep 2016 08:05:05
I would also add that the weight of the pass from migs was poor which gave Lucas less time.

19.) 11 Sep 2016
11 Sep 2016 09:10:14
Why have a pop at Gino this game? It was hardly vintage but his assist, followed minutes later by tracking back the entire length of the field for an excellent last ditch tackle on Marhez, showed what he was about and what he will be able to do when he's fully integrated.

20.) 11 Sep 2016
11 Sep 2016 09:26:26
Wow - impressed Ed001, who can forget that dark night for a refereeing in May 1965. A week after my best ever Anfield European night on May 5th ( bunked off school in the afternoon to be there in plenty of time ) Reuben Bennett did an article in the papers some years later with alleged proof that the referee benefited financially for his performance in that game.

{Ed001's Note - I wasn't born, it was just something I was told about by a few of the people involved in it. Shanks mentioned it a number of times, he used it to push on the players sometimes.}

21.) 11 Sep 2016
11 Sep 2016 12:47:05
All Lucas had to do if he was under too much pressure was step inside the box to control the ball. Migs was well within his right to pass him that ball. I don't rate migs I want him out the side asap but this goal was entirely lucas fault. A composed center back would have just stepped inside the box and there would have been a retake. Pressure from the pass is a nonsense argument because there was none. It was a good pass to a good player who had plenty of time to decide what to do unfortunatly he wanted 3/ 4 touches and then lost his own composure. For an example of jon stones would've received the same pass with the same pressure the same ending wouldn't of happened.

{Ed001's Note - oh don't talk crap. If he had stepped inside he would have risked a ref giving them an indirect free kick, as some refs do that. You clearly are blind, everyone made to go forward and Migs rushed a pass that he should have taken his time on. Your argument is the nonsense one.}

22.) 11 Sep 2016
11 Sep 2016 13:45:11
Not to mention that last season Stones made more errors leading to goals with the ball at his feet than any other defender last year.

23.) 11 Sep 2016
11 Sep 2016 15:50:45
To be fair it was 6 of one half a dozen of the other. Mignolet stupid to pass to him and then Lucas messed up. However how many brain farts has Lucas made that has directly cost us a goal? Not many that I can remember. I think one uncostly mistake can be overlooked. Mignolet on the other hand.

24.) 11 Sep 2016
11 Sep 2016 16:53:06
I'm watching a replay now, and Ed001's assessment is far from accurate. Lucas was making starting to make a run forward- he was stationary and facing Mignolet when the pass was made. All of the other defenders, rather than making runs forward, were facing Mignolet. The nearest player to Lucas, who was prepared for the pass and makes a move towards the ball when the pass was made, was Okazaki who was c. 15 yards away. The only other Leicester player within 15 yards of the Liverpool box was Vardy, and Milner was open for a pass from Lucas and facing him. Lucas took a heavy touch while facing the ball and moving slightly towards it, then panicked. The incident was entirely his fault, and to blame Mignolet is entirely unfair. Ed001 said to watch it again; I have repeatedly and can see that his version of events in inaccurate.

{Ed001's Note - bollox. No one was set for passes, no one. Mignolet had not played a quick ball out once before that, so no one was ready, they were all looking to draw Leicester out, then run forward. Lucas took a terrible touch, correct, but Mignolet was also to blame for playing the pass. Why was he rushing when we were on top and dominating? That is completely against the instructions that Klopp has constantly banged on about controlling the game when on top.}

25.) 11 Sep 2016
11 Sep 2016 21:30:34
I really think you need to watch it again. Lucas was clearly ready for the pass, he saw it coming and anticipated his reception of it. He just got that bit wrong. It was a simple mistake. I'm watching it again right now. I would urge every other poster who blames Mignolet to do so too. This was not a blasted pass, it was gentle and getting slower as it approached Lucas. And Okazaki was actually at least 18 yards away at that point. The blame is entirely on Lucas, and I genuinely cannot understand why you are so vehemently defending your position, when it is so obviously wrong.

{Ed001's Note - well clearly you are blind if you can't see the problem with it. You have completely failed to understand my point. So why waste my time talking to you as you haven't clue what I have said, it obviously went right over your head because you are too busy looking to absolve Migs of any blame. You are too blind to even realise you are pointing out the biggest error he made - gently rolling it so slowly that it meant Lucas was getting closed down by the time the ball reached him. Pointless this discussion, you have missed the point repeatedly, no one is even trying to say Lucas is not to blame or that he didn't make a mistake. The point is he should never have had the ball in the bloody first place. I give up as it is such a bloody simple point yet it completely escapes you.}

26.) 11 Sep 2016
11 Sep 2016 22:34:05
It amazes me that after such a great result and a fine performance, the main talking point on everyone's mind is the oppositions goal! Which turned out to not be very costly at all. Can't we just enjoy a great performance that on a even better day could have seen us net at least 3 more goals? And let the coaching staff concentrate on the mistake which I'm sure they will.

27.) 11 Sep 2016
11 Sep 2016 22:46:32
Funken, that may be true that Lucas looked like he had time to receive the ball but if you look at it again. Ed may be right here. On this thread, I blamed Lucas for the goal but Ed said it was a mistake first off by Mingo so I watched the play overseas and over again. Mingo places the ball at the corner of the six yard box and then doesn't even survey the pitch to see how LC set up to press. If he did, he would have seen that Okazaki was between Lucas and Hendo about ten yards out because as a striker, that is how you position yourself to make the other team go long instead of passing out of the back. Any good GK would have surveyed the pitch first before deciding to pass out or go long but Mingo doesn't do that. He just places the ball down and passes to Lucas without looking. Lucas already sees Okazaki before the pass hence, doesn't expect it to come. It comes and Okazaki is already on top of Lucas. He panics and the rest is history. I see where you are coming from and where Ed is coming from hence, it was a double mistake. We move on.

28.) 12 Sep 2016
12 Sep 2016 00:29:28
Well I've just watched it, again, and personally feel it was all Lucas. He 'appeared' ready for the ball, and controlled it just fine, had ample time to simply play it back to Migs if needed however took his eye off the ball, went to drag it back and maybe use Milner or Wijnaldum who was coming short but just ended up touching it forward, which then resulted in his panic toe poke across the goal.

True Migs rushed into passing it to Lucas when it wasn't neccessary at all, but that's where his blame ends as far as I'm concerned. I can only assume he wanted to keep possession short and simple as opposed to a long goal kick and losing the ball. Just my 2cents.

29.) 12 Sep 2016
12 Sep 2016 02:30:03
Migs made a really bad decision passing the ball to Lucas. Lucas made a mess out of it but Migs set it up.

30.) 12 Sep 2016
12 Sep 2016 04:45:27
Wow, someone's getting ed001 riled up! 😂😂😂.

31.) 12 Sep 2016
12 Sep 2016 12:21:19
Come on Ed, i think we all know what Lucas should have done.
With the underweighted pass from Mig he should have shimmied left but cut back inside towards his own goal, then with Vardy changing direction to close him down nut megged him running past him to collect the ball, now with the other 8 Leicester players charging him in a wall unit he should delicately chip the ball over them diving through Huths legs to get up and dribble the ball to what would be an open goal as Kaspers laid on the floor somewhere near the half way line. Now ofc his finish should be a 35 yard screamer that comes off the underside of the crossbar.

Now let's also not forget Ilori would have done that.

32.) 12 Sep 2016
12 Sep 2016 13:51:53
It was Lucas fault. He's a professional footballer, that was Sunday league. I'm sure he's been under more pressure than that and not lost it. Okazaki wasn't even on top of him.

33.) 12 Sep 2016
12 Sep 2016 19:35:00
Should of put it out for a corner instead of toe pokin to Vardy.

34.) 13 Sep 2016
12 Sep 2016 23:57:02
OMG Migs getting the blame for this, have this match recorded and have watched this incident loads of times, all the blame is on Lucas, without a doubt completely his fault, had all the time in the world. ED001 you are wrong, watch it again without your biasness, no doubt you will insult me now and tell me i know nothing about football. I have been involved in football of all levels for a long time and completely the fault lies with Lucas. Not a CB so it somewhat explains his mistake but to blame Mingolet. Sad really.

{Ed007's Note - Cool mate, so what Champions League clubs or international teams have you been involved in? You must have some cracking stories from through the years.}

35.) 13 Sep 2016
13 Sep 2016 01:49:30
By inference i blame the referee for blowing whistle to start game, bcos had he not blow the whistle, there will not be chain of events that cause mig to pass the ball to Lucas.

{Ed007's - If only John Houlding hadn't took the huff....

36.) 13 Sep 2016
13 Sep 2016 03:28:44
I love the fact that even though we won the match scoring 4 goals that could have been 5-6 . We are still on here moaning about something that in the end had no effect on the result .
I'm sitting here a happy fan enjoying a great result against last years champions .
Bring on Chelsea.

37.) 13 Sep 2016
13 Sep 2016 11:30:35
Agree pscicosis, great result and if we can beat Chelsea then our start will suddenly look very food indeed. Lucas makes the team better IMHO.