19 Jul 2016 12:21:05
Hi ed001

Just checking if you managed to find out if the Wijnaldum rumours were fact or made up by his agent. I think you said you would try and find out but think its judt his agent.

{Ed001's Note - he is being offered around, he wants to stay in England. So there is some truth in the two clubs having spoken about him, but I do not know of any interest from us.}


1.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 16:38:54
According to press association NV we have been speaking to Newcastle about a fee, seems like this one has legs.


2.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 17:15:54
He was awesome as a #8 for psv, Gerrard like. Would need a solid dm next to him if he plays in the centre.

Not as good as any of our starting attackers tho so he is being bought if so for the centre.


3.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 17:57:18
GW V coutinho v firmino.
Games played : 38 - 26 - 31
Passing accuracy (%) : 84.8 - 78.9 - 76.7
Duels won (%) : 48.1 - 42.8 - 39.3
Aerial duels won (%) :38.8 - 17.9 - 12.7
Recoveries: 228-127 - 138 (granted the games difference)
Goals:11-8- 10
Assists:5-5-7
Shooting accuracy:70.1 - 44.1 - 54.3 (%)
Crossing success:30 - 27.3 - 6.3 (%)
Chance created: 48- 50 - 49

Defensive duties:
Tackles won (%) : 84.2 -82.9 - 83.6
Blocks: 6 - 1 - 2
Interceptions: 27 - 17- 16
Fouls won: 51 - 29 - 20.
I hate playing the 'stat' card but looking at his all around game he's definitely a quality player, my concerns would be where he would fit in. He played in a relation team and statistically had a good season, I'm sure this will get a lot of dislikes etc but just the facts. I think at 20-25 million when you consider 15 for ibe, 100 for pogba, 36 ish for mane, I think it looks a fair deal.
Sorry for the large post I just wanted to point it some things as I feel GW was getting a harsh time on here.


4.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 17:59:58
We would get overrun if he where to play one of the two sitting midfielders in a 4-2-3-1. It's as if we are completely relying on our centre backs to do the defending, that has worked out great the past couple of season.


5.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 18:14:46
6 of his goals were scored in dead rubber matches so don't really mean anything. Ask any Newcastle fan what they think of him and I can assure you that they do not have a high opinion. He was nothing like Gerrard at PSV and frankly that's a ludicrous comparison.


6.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 19:50:38
Boss stats justafan - do you have stats for bottling it/ not being up for it when the chips are down? No, didn't think so. You cannot measure attitude with a simple stat and his is not good enough.


7.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 20:18:22
Frankly MrShankly, it seems that those clamoring for Wijnaldum to come here will pull any old and pathetic stat or argument to make their case. Problem is that all of the stuff they present flies in the face of what we all know and have seen as facts. We all saw Wijnaldum play last season and how poor, inconsistent and desireless he was to the point of getting benched by Rafa in the heat of a relegation fight. I will believe any Newcastle fan`s opinion about him before I believe a worthless stat presented by fans who just want a 25m pound player to gloat about. But they`ll keep trying tho.


8.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 20:45:33
Well ya can't argue with stats that don't exost now can ya seano!

Is there such a thing as deadrubber games in the prem? I wouldn't have thought liverpool fans are in such an esteemed poaition to take that view on the premier league.


9.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 20:47:17
Great post justafan.


10.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 21:45:22
Bottling it? In what sense? Does coutinho not go missing in some of our biggest games? Everybody loves 'hendo laaaaa' he's as good as mane, costs a lot less. All this BS about 'he got 4 in one game' and what? When's the last time one of kjr other midfielders score 4 in a game? All goals count! His stats keep up with those of our attacking midfielders and the deeper set ones, even compare well with everyone's beloved 'hendooooo' (which I don't understand) . The lad played every game in the league scored goals got the assists and people seem to think because they were relegated means he didn't do enough. I am not 'bashing' any of our players but instead making the point none are without fault, but to make out a Dutch international is sub par is farcical. As I have said once, and will repeat again, the ONLY issue is where would he be played who will make room for him. I have complete faith in ollllll jurgen.


11.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 21:45:42
seano I could play devils advocate here and say where was Coutinho in the Europa league final when we needed him most?
He was anonymous.
Give the bloke a chance IMO.
This next statement isn't directed at anyone in particular but I find it amazing how everyone is a football expert these days. The growth of games likes Fifa and football manager have a lot to answer for in them stakes as far as I can tell as everyone looks at their stats on these games and their "potential ability" on football manager and based their opinions on that as if they know it as fact themselves.


12.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 21:55:02
I never once compared stevie g to anybody? Or vice-versa. I am not here to argue with a load of Site readers, it is probably of great annoyance to the eds and its just rather tacky. All I did was provided useful information which disproved a lot of what some of you guys said, perhaps explaining why I was 'poo-pooed'. Some players aren't good in particular situations, he doesn't really seem like a 'Rafa' type player anyway, were you not all moaning about manes attitude two weeks ago? So before you all continue to insult me for what is probably a more Informative post than that of those who are insulting me, re-read what my original post said. 'Any old pathetic stat' I used liverpools own site for the stats and comparisons! We all have differing views in Football.


13.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 22:16:25
Actually faithinworks there is a dead rubber when you've already been relegated, it's the last game of the season and there is nothing left to play for. That is the text book of a dead rubber.


14.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 22:26:46
Best post I've seen in a very long time justafan. Genuinely interesting. Still overpriced though.


15.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 22:39:12
Funny how so many so called fans are putting Newcastle down, yet how many points did they take off us . we could not always beat them, why is that . they have some of the best fans in the world . whoever we sign, whoever comes thru, from the reserves, we should give our full support .


16.) 20 Jul 2016
20 Jul 2016 00:27:25
@justafan - I think your post could be framed as a perfect example of how stats in their own are useless.

I'm sorry but after seeing him play I personally wouldn't want us to sign him.


17.) 20 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 23:28:38
Very interesting Justafan!

Anyway you look at it, they are not the performance stats of a POOR player! You just can't spin it to me. A poor player does not perform like that and the negatives on here won't persuade me otherwise.

Fed up of everyone talking like he can barely kick a ball and offers nothing. He got more goals than Phil 'the messiah' Coutinho for god's sake (tongue in cheek)!

Not saying he's amazing, not saying I would even advocate signing him but some of the nonsense on here from so-called expert posters is just getting silly - you'd think we were signing a guy with one leg!


18.) 20 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 23:36:27
Deadrubber games? Liverpool either got draws or lost in those supposed deadrubber games. 😂😂 clearly Liverpool aren't of Newcastles high standing for them to be considered deadrubber games for Liverpool too.


19.) 20 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 23:42:00
Also whilst quite a simplistic view, his goals and assists contributed 17 points out of Newcastles total of 37.


20.) 20 Jul 2016
20 Jul 2016 12:05:52
Seano, people post stats when they can't answer logical questions like the one you just asked as there is no stat that measures for having a poor attitude and being a bottler.